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Comment Re:Xfce also uses GTK (Score 1) 127

XFce is using GTK3 currently and the change is in GTK5. Hopefully, as more users have the sad realization about Wayland, GTK5 will be end of the line for GTK.

GTK's decision isn't that surprising, they've been part of freedesktop for some time, so they've bought in on the plan to cram Wayland down people's throat with a stick if necessary, much like RedHat in general.

Comment Re:Wayland is the IPv6 of display protocols (Score 1) 127

BZZT. That's a dodge and I suspect you damned well know it. LIE LIE LIE. You did successfully repeat the big lie, I'll grant you that.

I am quite sure it was understood that the people complaining were referring to the simple act of forwarding the X server connection to the remote X server (display) either directly or through ssh. I was lied to directly after being quite specific that that was what I was talking about (that would be the calling out). It was even a shade worse than Clinton's "I didn't inhale" (because it was in brownies). Truly a mis-direction worthy of a politician. Also known as a lie.

I remember history quite well.

Comment Re:Wayland is the IPv6 of display protocols (Score 2) 127

In the early days right here on /. and on wayland's project blogs.

The claim was that X11 doesn't support remote display. Then when the foolishness of that claim was loudly called out, it was "Well that isn't REALLY remote support". Then that was called out and the claim was "it'll be implemented any day now..."

That was enlarged that it would be through an external proxy. Then that external proxy would be 3rd party. Then it would be started any day now.

Lie after lie after lie. Not a good look for open software.

Comment Relief (Score 2) 127

I have to support Ubuntu for commercial reasons. I am relieved to note that Ubuntu is NOT Wayland only. It's just that the latest Gnome only supports Wayland. So all I have to do to keep X11 available is not use the desktop environment that I despise anyway.

Wayland and Gnome are now so far up their own backsides, they will disappear into a singularity any day now.

Comment Re:Who needs that pesky security anyway? (Score 1) 15

Agreed. There have been some discoveries that were genuine security issues. MANY that are only real issues in multi-user systems (and I mean logged in users, not someone fetching a web page). And too many that are clever tricks but only work if the 'target' cooperates fully with the "attack" (but mysteriously doesn't just sudo). Those remind me of the videos of Rube Goldberg machines that take a month to shoot and run for 3 minutes, assuming they don't just use clever editing to depict something that never actually happened at all.

Comment Re:same same. (Score 1) 221

The difference is that going to the next LTS release rarely involves having to go get a new computer to meet some new requirement and doesn't tend to completely change something in your workflow. If you go with something like BTRFS, you can even easily roll the whole thing back if the results aren't good enough.

Also, you never wake up one morning and find that the system has updated itself to a new release without even asking.

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