What, in your unsupported opinion, makes the F150 Lightning "a piece of garbage"?

That was never my opinion, nor have I used the word "garbage" to describe it.

The claim earlier was "It is an excellent vehicle, all around great", some here disagreed, as did I, based on my experience at a Ford dealership. My only shared criticism here was the limited range in winter... how does that translate to me calling it "a piece of garbage"?

I have experienced zero issues over 50,000 miles. It is not a piece of garbage, it may be the best vehicle I've ever owned. I'm not saying its for you or for everyone, certainly not garbage. I wouldn't use it for towing anything very far.

You keep using the same word, over and over again here which only the OP used, once... either you grossly misread what I said here, or you are accidentally revealing your true feelings about the vehicle and expressing regret.

Given the market reaction to the Lightning, and Ford ending production... maybe not everyone is as happy with them as you are? I used to drive a Pontiac Aztek, and loved it (second best hunting vehicle I've owned), and was very sad when it finally died and had to be sold for scrap. I was a minority in that, and I recognize that, and that's ok.

Ford is a real mixed bag, I'm not a superfan by any means, or even a fan frankly. I've bought two Ford pickups and regretted them both. But I also got frankly some of the worst examples, one of them was supposed to have been worked on and it turned out it was rebuilt incorrectly and the other was a 7.3 IDI with a turbo and I didn't know about their weak blocks at the time. But I also had a V6 Aero Bird which was a shockingly good car, and have only respect for the 80s F150 with the 300ci straight six even though I'd rather have a '60s Chevy with a 292.

The F150 Lightning also isn't a good enough truck for what they charged for it. Ford was banking on a larger supply of suckers. I'd love to own one, but I'm sure not shopping in that market segment. Ford also didn't plan to ever offer the Lightning I wanted, a tradesman model with the big battery.

Hmm, mine has a range over 300 miles, real actual miles.

In what climate?

My v8 2019 F150 doesn't flinch at doing 600 miles on a single tankful, in winter.

I bought mine used with 1100 miles, 20% off sticker.

And? You still probably ended up paying 2-4x what I did for mine.

You talked to a dealer that doesn't want to sell EVs,

In your unsupported opinion.

Why wouldn't a dealer want to sell to someone wanting to buy?

in place where most people don't like EVs.

Plenty of Tesla's in Sioux Falls, which includes at least 3 Cybertrucks... again, you keep giving opinions which don't help, or considering that the views you believe others have may have some basis in reality.

Are you surprised you got a low opinion?

No, I listen to what the opinions are of the dealer and consider it along with what else I know, without seeking to influence what they say.

Seriously, drive one.

What am I going to get from the driving experience? What untold amazement will I have that changes my mind and will compel me to go get one?

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If AI and crypto pop at the same time, the universe divides by zero and we all get sucked into a black hole with no internet access.

> Certainly feels that ever since the current "owners" took over, the amount of political ragebait has gone up tenfold.

Because the Orange Man is the Great Agitator. If he can't get attention by doing a great job, then he'll get it by randomly breaking something or someone.

Dupes don't kill puppies. Dupes don't kill puppies.

Make a specific objection or fuck off with your vagueposting.

All the Soylent Green is being diverted to power The Great Bot. Now they don't wait until you croak.

Spoken like a true worshiper of prosperity theology.

I smell a maggot who doesn't want to be reminded that Cheeto Benito pardoned drug traffickers.

It is an excellent vehicle, all around great.

And owning and driving one is enough to convince someone of that?

I'll admit, I've never owned or driven one, though last year when shopping for a new pickup I saw one parked on a Ford dealership I was looking at. It was new so out of my price range, so I got chatting with the salesman (and didn't say my limits) about if it was any good. Turns out it was being driven by the manager, who mostly hated it. Max range he said, in winter was 100-150 miles. Maybe for city driving that's ok, but in South Dakota , a drive down to Sioux Falls for a Costco or Target run is going to give quite a bit of range anxiety.

That's 'all around great'?

Again, this was what I was getting from a Ford dealership!

The cybertruck is pure shit. It is the least reliable Tesla by a wide margin, and Tesla was recently named the least reliable vehicle in America.

The lightning might be a vehicle without a business case, but it's a major revision from the normal f-series, down to having independent rear suspension. The f150 is also the most popular vehicle on the planet. While Ford has had some massive failures in it like the 3 valve 5.4, you're still barking up the wrong tree here

Ironically those still alive have good job prospects because of the busy war economy and because their competition died. There's not a lot to buy, but they can brag about their grand promotions.

It does show that Putin's tolerance for protesting this kind of issues is probably higher.

He might be allowing it as a ruse to paint all protestors as spoiled brats.