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Comment: Re:No voice control? (Score 1) 88

by backslashdot (#47405705) Attached to: Automotive Grade Linux Released For Open Source Cars

It would be trivial for a computer to realize something is being said mid-sentence by measuring the time between your previous word and when you say "computer, adjust the volume".. AS for a demo playing in the background .. yeah that is an issue but i try not to play demos of voice UI interaction in the car. If I did, I would make sure the trigger word to activate a voice command is not "computer" but some name that is rarely used like "Cthulu of the Netherworld".

Comment: You think? (Score 1) 374

Well we have known this for a long long time. Problem is how do we get the government to stop subsidizing fossil fuel?
Voting against the tea party nutcases might be a good start. They are they ones forcing these subsidies: http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/29/...

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Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 1) 211

As an aside, I think I figured out why you never use the "quote parent" button. It's because you absolutely refuse to answer questions or admit when you're wrong. Accordingly, you're just wasting my time.

And again, I should point out that (i) you failed to use the 'quote parent' button or otherwise quote me; (ii) failed to answer any questions from me to you; and (iii) changed the topic yet again, once I pointed out you were wrong. This is just pathetic.

i) I did quote you (using " " rather than quote parent) in my response at http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
ii) I did answer the ones worth answering. If you have specific ones ask them again I will answer.
iii) I may have been wrong about 35 USC 135 or 35 USC 156 being abused. However my main point is that patent attorneys (probably ones more competent than you) know how to manipulate the patent system such that their patent applications get delayed for long periods. I admit I am very likely wrong about the details of the process in which that is achieved. I thought it was by getting the patent appeal to respond to various issues raised in the application. For example, after you respond to an RCE .. doesn't it throw the clock back onto the USPTO such that the delay extends the term (if it goes over 3 years)? I know that the USPTO delays are not random .. there is something about the patent application that causes it to get into delay hell .. and that's being manipulated. Why is it that the HDTV patents are still unissued? When they do get issued it means (for example) Sony will be able to continue to collect royalties for 17 years from that date. That means HDTV technology will not enter public domain for a very long time.

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Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 1) 211

You said that USC 135 cannot be used to delay a patent in a manner that counts toward it being extended.

1. Have you ever filed a petition to institute a derivation proceeding?
2. How long did they take to even get back to you with a response?

As for 35 USC 156, do I need to handhold you through the million ways they can make a product subject to regulatory review? One way is to say is that it's going to be in a medical device or a medical device is going to use it.

Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 1) 211

AFTER I said "the patent issuance delays are not random .. anyone skilled in the art knows how to manipulate it." You said

"There are reasons we manipulate delays - for example, where the patent owner is unsure whether to proceed with the application or not, and wants to stall while they release their product or talk to investors - but to get increased patent term extension is not one of them. "

So you admit that the delays can be manipulated, yet patent term extensions aren't a reason. This strongly implies that an applicant has no interest in having a delayed issue date. The only reason they would have no interest in a delayed issue date is if it offered no gain.

1. A greatly delayed issue date can result in a term extension.
2. You state that applicants/their lawyer have ways to cause patent issuance delays.
3. You say that applicants have no interest in a term extension.

The only reason #3 would make sense is if there was no interest, financial or otherwise in a delay.

Also, your reasoning that applicants merely want to stall while they talk to investors or decide whether to proceed makes no sense. They've already paid the fees, why would they need to stall or not proceed with an application? Unless we are talking about a situation where they are concerned about trade secrets, there is no reason for someone to not want a patent. Going the trade secret route is very very risky. Also, since the application is already in process it would get revealed within 18 months anyway and if it gets abandoned .. there is zero protection.

Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 1) 211

OK, so now you admit that deliberately causing delays are possible and that you know of ways to do it. Since you seem to think that forcing patents into the RCE backlog doesn't help the application get delayed, and that USC 135 & 156 are useless .. why don't you tell us some of the ways you do use?

Also, you claim that a patent applicant has no gain or financial interest in a delayed patent issuance date .. that is ridiculous for many cases and you know it. Especially given how broad or widely used some patents can be.

Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 1) 211

Also, there is no why the law has to say that the USPTO must grant extended time. Let's say the patent office issues in 2015 a patent filed in 2000. The applicant can still sue infringers for back royalties. In fact this "sue for back royalties" has been the trend among patent trolls. The USPTO "realized it" (ie, got called on it) relatively recently and therefore started publishing most pending applications after 18 months so that people can at least check if they might get sued at a later date for using a patent pending idea. Anyway the fact that a patent owner can sue people for back royalties means that with delays patent owners can have monopolies on technology for extended periods of time far beyond 20 years. For example if you get your patent delayed 30 years (not unreasonable when you consider some HDTV patents from the 1990s have yet to issue) then you basically get to earn royalties on for 50 years. Furthermore you can demand huge sums in back royalties for the delay periods. How is that fair?

Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 1) 211

Yes they can. They can word their applications in such a manner that increases the delay likelihood substantially and whether it triggers RCEs etc. What can I say, you don't know the basics of getting the USPTO to delay while technically making it fall under the statutes I mentioned you obviously know absolutely nothing. Until I proved it, you didn't even know that some patents issue quickly whereas there are still patents in the queue from the 1990s and even the 80s (in fact, know of one from the 70s that is not yet acted on but the reason for that particular one is not the applicant's fault). Anyway, the patent issuance delays are not random .. anyone skilled in the art knows how to manipulate it.

Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 1) 211

What can I say, obviously I know a lot more than you. If you don't know the basics of getting the USPTO to delay while technically making it fall under the statutes I mentioned you obviously know absolutely nothing. I guess you didn't even know that some patents issue quickly whereas there are still patents in the queue from the 1990s and even the 80s (in fact, know of one from the 70s that is not yet acted on but the reason for that particular one is not the applicant's fault). Anyway, the patent issuance delays are not random .. anyone skilled in the art knows how to manipulate it.

Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 1) 211

BS.

There are many many patents with extensions ... for example .. just randomly typing patent numbers you can find many .. for example US patent# 7349837. It's patent term was extended by 715 days. Just look up that patent in the uspto website and then click on images to see the pages .. you will see halfway down that it says "Notice: Subject to any disclaimer, the term of this patent is extended or adjusted under 35 U.S.C. 154(b) by 715 days."

http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?D...

Before you accuse me of cherry picking .. try typing searching random patent numbers on the USPTO website above 7,000,000 and below i guess 8,500,000. It wont take you long to find ones that have had their patent terms arbitrarily extended. Especially ones for stuff like communications, images, video etc.

Comment: Re:Extremely scary (Score 2) 211

Dude, my point is that there is no fixed 20 year time period, you can keep extending the patent issuance for as long as you like by using 35 USC 135 (c) to trigger 35 USC 156 (a). If you managed to delay it more than 3 years (very easy btw) then the clock of those 20 years starts after the issue date. SO for example, you if you filed a patent in 2000, you keep pushing for delays under 35 USC 135 (c) so that the patent gets issued in 2020 .. then you have a monopoly on the invention until 2040. You can sue any infringers for back royalties on your invention if someone else built it (knowingly or unknowingly).

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