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Comment Re:Case dependent [Re:So, the plan is ...] (Score 1) 75

Correct. But you missed the point. Weight is not the issue. Volume is not the issue. Cost is the issue. Fuel cells are expensive. Storage tanks are cheap. The longer your storage period, the more of the set-up is the cheap part rather than the expensive part.

In practice, storing energy for a longer period of time is basically never done, with the only real exception I can think of being space travel. And it's not how long the storage period is that matters. It's how quickly you need to get the energy when you're done. Sure, if you store a year worth of energy in a day and dribble it out over a year, a tiny fuel cell and a huge tank is great for cost. But literally space travel is the only practical application of that. For every real-world application other than space travel, you need to be able to dump the entire contents of the fuel cell in at most maybe five to ten times the period of time over which it was built up, if not less. That means either big fuel cells or a lot of fuel cells.

The trade off between batteries and fuel cells is case dependent, and more notably, it is technology dependent. I think I may agree with you that for for storage times of ~12 hours (from solar peak at noon to drop off of electrical usage around midnight) and for today's off-the-shelf technology fuel cells are not the answer, but "not the answer for this case" is not the same as "not the answer always."

See above. And to that, I would add that converting electricity to hydrogen with electrolysis of water and back is likely to result in a loss of somewhere around 60% to 70% of the energy that you put in. So even if you somehow manage to find some rare edge case (e.g. trying to do solar in Alaska or something similarly nuts) where you really do want to store power long-term and spread it out over a long period of time, the loss of energy is still going to be around 5x as high from fuel cells as lithium ion batteries even factoring in the self-discharge rate over several months.

And that's before you factor in the additional losses from having to pressurize the hydrogen, which adds further the losses. In fact, you'd actually be better off building air tanks and pressurizing them and using the air pressure to turn turbines than doing electrolysis, pressurizing hydrogen, and dumping it into a fuel cell. That will give you a loss of only 25% to 50% of the energy that goes in. Sure, it will take up more space, but you won't have hydrogen making the metal brittle after a few years, requiring you to replace the whole system over and over again, so it makes *way* more sense.

When I say that IMO, there is literally no case where hydrogen fuel cells make sense other than space travel, I mean that. It is utterly terrible efficiency-wise, so much so that almost anything is better, including things that are way simpler and cheaper than hydrogen, like a giant air tank and an air turbine.

Comment Re:So, the plan is ... (Score 1) 75

Hydrogen is not the answer. Hydrogen is the question. No is the answer. Always. For literally any purpose you could possibly come up with other than fusion.

I'm with you regarding hydrogen as energy capture. It should be noted however that hydrogen may be relevant to displacing fossil fuels in chemical applications, such as in making steel.

I would still expect it to be less efficient than electric arc furnaces, but maybe not, so I'll grant you that this might be a very narrow use case, solely because burning the fuel source is actually important for that. :-)

Comment Re:So, the plan is ... (Score 1) 75

Modern combined-cycle gas turbines are much more efficient than that. Most new installations now get around 60% efficiency if not better, and the current record is 64.18%, set by a Siemens turbine at Keadby Unit 2 Power Station in the UK. The end result won't be 68%, but it also won't be 34%.

60% efficiency times 68% is 40.8% efficiency. Yeah, that's slightly better than 34%, but in much the same way that a s**t sandwich is slightly better than s**t. :-)

And this will still be capable of running on natural gas, which probably means it won't be optimal efficiency-wise for either fuel.

Given the losses associated with electrolysis, the net is likely to be around 50%, which still makes it a bad idea.

The losses from electrolysis alone make it a bad idea, even if the next step were 100% efficient. It just gets worse from there.

Comment Re:So, the plan is ... (Score 1) 75

If you start with electricity then change to H2, after electrolysis + transportation/distribution, you end up with ~68% of your original starting energy at the site for usage.

Hmm, which is more, 94% or 68%?

You forgot that this is about gas turbines. They're going to BURN the hydrogen. Divide that 68% number by two, and that's still probably wildly optimistic. More realistic numbers are probably more like 20%.

Comment Re:So, the plan is ... (Score 5, Informative) 75

Depends on how much energy you want to store and how long you want to store it.

Not really, no.

The size of a battery is directly proportional to how much energy you store. If the battery provides a megawatt for ten hours, the battery weighs ten times as much as a battery providing a megawatt for one hour. On the other hand, for a fuel cell, only the storage tank is proportional to how much energy you store (and the storage tank is by far the cheapest part of the fuel cell system). The longer the storage period, the more attractive fuel cells are.

If you're rolling it around on wheels, maybe. For a fixed installation, weight has exactly zero relevance. You're putting it on top of a concrete slab on top of dirt. Who cares how much it weighs?

Volumetric density might matter sometimes. Typical density for hydrogen peaks at about 40 kg per cubic meter (assuming Google search isn't lying to me). With a fuel cell, this will maybe give you 1320 kWh. But then you need additional space for the fuel cell itself, plus compressors to compress the hydrogen on the way in.

Batteries give you half the energy density, but that's all you have to have. Electricity in, electricity out.

Which one is more dense depends entirely on A. how quickly you need to store the incoming hydrogen (size/number of compressors) and B. how quickly you need to be able to turn the hydrogen in your tanks into electricity. Because the batteries will be instant. The power is just there. Whereas with fuel cells you need more/bigger fuel cells depending on how high your kW output needs to be. So storing huge amounts of power is more dense with hydrogen if you only need to dribble it out, but massively less dense if you need to dump all of the stored energy in an hour or two.

And realistically, for grid-tied energy storage, that second case is more common than the first. You aren't going to store energy for a year unless you're in Alaska had have all-day twilight for several months. No, you're going to store the energy during the day and use the vast majority of it between the middle of the afternoon to the early evening. It's probably a three or four hour window in which you will be dumping all the energy that you stored, give or take.

But to make matters worse for hydrogen, they're talking about burning it, not using it in a fuel cell. The efficiency there is maybe half the efficiency of a fuel cell. So when used in that way, batteries are more efficient in terms of volumetric density than hydrogen even BEFORE you factor in all the space for the turbines to burn it and turn it into electricity! This is absolutely *insanely* space-inefficient.

Add to that the problem of hydrogen embrittlement, where you have to keep replacing those storage tanks every few years, not to mention the pipes, turbines, etc., and it quickly becomes obvious that this project is a giant money pit in which Southern California will burn dollars and turn them into a negligible amount of temporary power storage.

There's no way in this world that burning hydrogen from electrolysis at somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% round-trip efficiency makes sense. This is quite possibly the single most clueless idea ever to come out of California's government in the history of California's government. The only people this makes sense for are the ones who are bilking the taxpayers by building out this infrastructure. Because it will never be useful. It will always be more efficient to use the incoming energy to charge batteries, or to do something else. Even when you're talking about things like nuclear power and using waste heat to crack water into hydrogen, you'd still be more efficient with any number of other thermoelectric energy capture systems going straight to electricity and storing it in a battery.

Hydrogen is not the answer. Hydrogen is the question. No is the answer. Always. For literally any purpose you could possibly come up with other than fusion.

Comment Re:Combustion is not the only option ... (Score 1) 75

Solar -> Electricity -> Electrolysis -> Hydrogen -> Combustion Turbine -> Electricity

Why not:

Solar -> Electricity -> Battery -> Electricity

It would appear that the latter would have a better end to end efficiency. Bypassing the losses in electrolysis and combustion.

See Fuel Cell post below yours. Combustion is not the only option. https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

Fuel cell efficiency sucks, too. Sure, maybe it's half again more efficient or even twice as efficient, but a battery would be more like 5x as efficient.

Comment Re: Offline Appliances (Score 1) 153

Funny that you specify LG here. I have an LG washing machine. Not an internet-connected one. It plays a tune when it's "done," but get this, it isn't fucking done! For some inexplicable reason, the machine's door stays locked for 3 minutes after it plays the tune.

Your first mistake was buying a sh*tty front-loading washing machine in the first place. I dealt with those in the laundromat in our dorms at grad school. Never again.

Front loaders mean that you can't add clothes when you realize "Oh, s**t, I forgot the towels upstairs." And now you're running entire extra wash loads because your washing machine is designed to lock the door and prevent you from opening it.

Add to that the increased risk of flooding, increased mold problems, etc., and you couldn't *pay* me to take a front-loading washing machine unless you let me cannibalize the motor and then haul the rest of it to the junkyard afterwards. It's a fundamentally bad design.

If you can't hear your dryer buzzer, get a louder buzzer, or add a remote buzzer. That's the nice thing about non-digital hardware. You can just replace parts. It just applies a voltage across some kind of buzzer. Measure the voltage with the buzzer removed or look in the wiring diagram. Add a relay with an appropriate switching voltage in parallel across the buzzer. Use your old telephone line that you're not using because nobody has land lines anymore, and wire up a pair from the dryer to a location upstairs. Use low voltage DC through the switched side of the relay, and add a piezo buzzer and a 12V power supply upstairs. Add some connectors to make it look neat, and you're done.

Submission + - The Largest Theft In Human History?

theodp writes: In OpenAI Moves To Complete Potentially The Largest Theft In Human History, Zvi Mowshowitz opines on the 'recapitalization' of OpenAI. Mowshowitz writes:

"OpenAI is now set to become a Public Benefit Corporation, with its investors entitled to uncapped profit shares. Its nonprofit foundation will retain some measure of control and a 26% financial stake [valued at approximately $130 billion], in sharp contrast to its previous stronger control and much, much larger effective financial stake. The value transfer is in the hundreds of billions, thus potentially the largest theft in human history. [...] I am in no way surprised by OpenAI moving forward on this, but I am deeply disgusted and disappointed they are being allowed (for now) to do so."

"Many media and public sources are calling this a win for the nonprofit. [...] This is mostly them being fooled. They’re anchoring on OpenAI’s previous plan to far more fully sideline the nonprofit. This is indeed a big win for the nonprofit compared to OpenAI’s previous plan. But the previous plan would have been a complete disaster, an all but total expropriation. It’s as if a mugger demanded all your money, you talked them down to giving up half your money, and you called that exchange a ‘change that recapitalized you.’"

Mowshowitz also points to an OpenAI announcement, The Next Chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI Partnership, which describes how Microsoft will fare from the deal: "Microsoft holds an investment in OpenAI Group PBC valued at approximately $135 billion, representing roughly 27 percent on an as-converted diluted basis, inclusive of all owners—employees, investors, and the OpenAI Foundation."

Comment Re:Years later... (Score 1) 57

I'm still trying to figure out how SSO is a defense mechanism. In an SSO-enabled environment any process running in the user's session is automatically authenticated as that user - including malware.

Your attack surface is lower if you only have one system that has your password, instead of two dozen. It reduces password fatigue and increases the chances that users will use a single strong password instead of creating dozens of weak ones. Or worst (and commonly) one shared password across all sites. There are plenty of other benefits, the these arguments aren't the best reason to do it.

The best reason is there have been numerous studies showing that companies that enact broad SSO use see significant drops in identity-related breaches. 2023 Forrester report showed a 60% drop in these breaches.

Comment Re:why is ESPN forced into the basic package when (Score 1) 52

On the new TV I got, when I am watching some channels, instead of commercials, I get a black screen and some weird funky music, with the text on the screen saying "we will be right back" with a countdown timer. Typically for 2 minutes.

My question is, why are they not giving me commercials, instead of this screen? Who is benefiting? If they're not going to show a commercial, why not just show the content? What's the point of these two minute commercialless commercial breaks? Why not use them to actually show commercials?

It's not clear to me if these screens are on channels provided by GoogleTV or via the over the air antenna or what. I've not paid the close attention. I guess I should, as I'm really curious.

I don't know exactly where you're getting the content, so I can't be completely certain, but when you pull network feeds off satellite, there's often a period of time allocated for local commercial insertion by affiliates. I'm not sure what they put in during that period these days, but that might be what you're seeing. If the downstream affiliate isn't injecting ads correctly (or at all), then you'd have whatever placeholder content filled the gap, which might be national ads for other shows on the network (preemptible spots) or might be nothing at all.

Comment Re:why is ESPN forced into the basic package when (Score 1) 52

That sounds right to me.

Look at what people pay for the NFL Sunday Ticket thing alone. It's a lot of damned money.

I totally can buy that what people will pay for sports subsidizes everything else.

At the same time, you have hard-heads like me who are simply cheap bastards. We look at a bundle, see it has a bunch of shit we know we will never watch, and pass on it because we don't want to pay. For people like me, a no-sports tier that is rock bottom cheap is the only way to get my money. That said, it's entirely possible my money isn't worth getting, in the overall scheme of things.

YouTube TV costs what, something more than $50/month? Just not worth it to me. I MIGHT PAY $10/month. What can I get for that? It may turn out that the provider decides my $10/month isn't worth its time. So, I'm a non-customer. I'll continue to watch whatever I can get for free via an antenna. Plus, now that I have a GoogleTV powered TV, I can get a huge amount of free channels on top of that. Why would I ever pay the asking price for something like YouTubeTV?

Same. I can't imagine paying $50 a month for any service. I'm currently an extra member on my mom's Netflix account because Netflix decided they didn't want my $11.99 and I wasn't willing to pay them $17.99 a month or endure ads. And that's where 90% of my viewing comes from.

So maybe buck or two a month is about all I'd be willing to spend for the very limited amount of viewing that something like YouTube TV would provide, assuming I could even deal with the commercials from live TV enough to watch it at all, and I'm pretty sure I couldn't, which makes the whole question moot.

Live TV is dead. And streaming live TV won't save it.

Comment Re:why is ESPN forced into the basic package when (Score 4, Informative) 52

So that ESPN is ensure massive revenues, just like Fox News. There are agreements that bundles are mandatory so you can't cut the vampires out.

It's worse than that. ESPN has massive revenue, but also massive costs. Contrast with Disney, where the cost of production is dirt cheap by comparison, and what you conclude is that Disney/ABC is basically taking advantage of knowing that a lot of folks want sports to force mandated bundling so that all those people who don't watch ESPN end up helping pay for the ones who do, both by paying for the ESPN part and the Disney part, which ends up subsidizing the ESPN part.

The worst thing that can happen to a streaming service is getting sports. We need to keep streaming sports on their own a la carte services. As soon as you start bundling it in, the cost of the service skyrockets while the quality of the content plummets, because sports is such a huge fiscal black hole.

Comment Re:Guantanomo (Score 1) 201

The courts have been pretty mixed about Guantanamo. They agreed with me in Boumediene v. Bush. But then, the farther the court swung to the right, the more bats**t the rulings became, and the more they buried their heads in the sand to avoid following the law.

Anyway, I think the correct argument to make would be that if they are not guaranteed due process, then they must not be criminals subject to prosecution, and must instead be P.O.W.s, which means they are subject to release at the end of the hostilities pursuant to the Geneva Conventions, and the government owes them a lot of money for unlawful detention since 2021.

Comment Re:Everyone is okay with tracking (Score 2) 201

Meanwhile, in the real world, Biden's FBI was busted conducting fishing expeditions against Republicans. Nixon got impeached for less.

Surely you're joking. Nixon had his election staffers break into the competing party headquarters.

Under Biden, the FBI, as part of an active criminal investigation into an attempted coup, looked at the phone records of sitting members of the government to see who they called and who called them and when.

No, Nixon did not get impeached for "much less".

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