
Journal TechnoLust's Journal: Where's TechnoLust? 21
If you remember from a previous journal, the girl I've been seeing has a daughter. April 10th was her (my girl, not the daughter) birthday, and I cooked her dinner and she and her daughter came over and ate and I started to give her the present I bought her. It was a 14k gold Sea Turtle (her favorite animal) pendant on a 14k gold, diamond cut necklace. It was in a hinged box, like rings come in, only bigger. When I started to open it to show her what it was, her daughter hugged my legs and shouted out, "You're going to ask her to marry you." I showed her that it was not a ring and I said, "No, I'm not. Not tonight." She loved the necklace and I put it on her, but I didn't get the reaction I had hoped for (a passionate kiss.) I didn't really think anything was wrong, I just thought she was tired. I went to her daughter's ball game the next day and she wore the necklace and we had a great time. Then I didn't hear from her for a few days, so I called from work one day. I asked if everything was OK, and that seemed to upset her. She was working on school work and said she had just been busy and she would call me tomorrow. When she didn't I knew something was wrong. I called a mutal friend and talked to her. She said my girl was scared. Her daughter bringing up marriage had started a chain reaction of thoughts. She had called our friend and told her that she wasn't good enough for me and that I couldn't love her because of her past (having a child out of wedlock.) I thought I had made it perfectly clear that it wasn't a problem, in fact, I love her daughter and I enjoy having her around. She still won't talk to me about it, so I've kind of let it drop until she's done with finals. I just don't understand where I went wrong. I've tried to take it slow and not rush her. All I can think about is being with her, but this is rough on me. I always saw her as strong an having a very strong self esteem, but I guess she's vulnerable just like the rest of us.
At Bible study the other night, we read Genesis chapter 11. It's about how Abram's father, Terah, was supposed to go to Canaan, but he stopped along the way at Herra, a little town that wasn't all that, but was better than walking through the desert. So he just stopped there and didn't go any further. Terah died there and never saw Canaan. I related it to my situation. Where my girl and I were was good (Herra), but it wasn't as good as it could be (Canaan), so we have to go through this (more desert) to get to where we need to be. It's rough and sometimes I fear we will die in the desert, so to speak, but I have that hope of where we will be in future that keeps me going.
Normally I save personal stuff for my personal, off-line, dead-tree format journal, but I'm wondering if there are any readers who have been through this. I have talked to several of my friends and a surprising number of them went through something similar, where one of them felt inferior or unworthy because of past decisions. If you have a story I'd love to hear it. Post AC if you need to.
An idea... (Score:2)
Might I suggest you invite her to do something for her daughter (take her out to chucky-cheeses, or invite the daughter to go out on the jetskis, or, if you have money, invite them to DisneyWorld or something). The idea is for your girl to see how you want to be part of her daughters life, not just "accept" her daughter. Try and get her daughter gifts and stuff. If she notices that you are interested in her daughter as much as her, she'll be more willing to accept the fact that her past makes no difference to you...
I say... (Score:1, Informative)
Don't take my word for it though, talk to someone you can trust from your church. If they tell you to go on with the relationship, it'll only be because they aren't a real christian, or because the grasp of satan has overtaken their poor soul.
God Bless.
I hate to feed a troll, but... (Score:2)
The word Christian means Christ-like. Christ is first and foremost forgiving. He forgave her for it, can I do any less? Also to not forgive her would make me a hypocrit, because I myself am not without sin. If God did not forgive us and sent us all to hell if we sinned, there would be no one in heaven. The Bible says, "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
I know you are just trolling, and the tone of your post suggests you don't believe in God, or at least you are indifferent. You may have even been hurt by a Christian and so think all of us think like that. We don't. I try not to judge anyone for any reason. For race, sex, religion or nationality. If you believe that God should punish everyone who has a child outside of marriage, that's your right. But please don't insinuate that all "real" Christians believe this. That is not true.
I'll let the bible speak for me... (Score:2, Funny)
also:
"A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord: even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord" (Deuteronomy 23:2).
You're playing with fire here, TechnoLust!
I'll take credit for that tongue-in-cheek "ticket-to-hell" AC post. I'm actually an athiest myself; I just happen to enjoy teasing others for being "cafeteria christians".
In all honesty, I don't know what advice to give you about your ladyfriend, but you certainly shouldn't let her past child out of wedlock slow you down. Unless you believe any of that silly stuff in the bible.
Good luck! =)
Re:I'll let the bible speak for me... (Score:2)
I also don't think God is a rules-lawyer jerk.
Yeah. Don't worry about the kid. Will have better reply at top layer (after obligatory 2 minute warning.)
Re:I'll let the bible speak for me... (Score:1)
Corinthians is New Testament.
Cafeteria Christians? (Score:2)
As for your last comment, I'm not letting her past slow me down, she's the one that is having trouble letting it go. But it is not because I don't believe in the Bible. (That wasn't a manipulation attempt was it? Trying to make me choose between love and God?) :-) The Bible also says, "So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, 'He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.'" John 8:7 and "Judge not, that you be not judged." Matthew 7:1. I try to focus on the forgivness and grace parts, because Jesus is our example of how to live, and he never said, I'm sorry, I can't be around you because you used to be this, or you've done this in the past. I don't know what in your life has caused you to believe the way you do, but I hope it wasn't a Christian who didn't know anything about God or the Bible. I've seen many of them, who try to beat everyone over the head with the Bible until they believe exactly the same as them. It's not the way to go. God is love (that's in there, too) but a lot of Christians don't understand that. I don't have a problem with anybody or their beliefs. If somebody wants to know what I believe or if they are looking for answers, I will talk to them, but I don't go around saying everyone who doesn't think like I do it wrong. I think everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, as long as it doesn't affect me or my rights. So, you can't believe that stealing my car is OK, because that affects my rights. But other than that, I really don't mind. I'd rather you believe in God, because it's a great feeling and the best decision I ever made, but I can't FORCE you to make that decision, all I can do it try to and piss you off, or I can pray for you and let God handle it. Then if you decide you want to make that decision, I can guide you and help you pray, but that's as far as I can go. Ultimately it is your choice. Many Christians have trouble with that. But please don't judge all Christians by the few bad apples. There are a lot of us that are trying to do it the way Jesus did it.
Re:Cafeteria Christians? (Score:2)
Well, I agree with you wholeheartedly on that one. I do fully respect your right to believe whatever you want. I also respect my right to discuss it on the internet. This being your journal, though, I'll drop the subject if you ask me to leave. I'm not trying to harrass anybody.
A Cafeteria Christian is one who picks and chooses the parts of the bible they agree with, and then calls themself a christian. There are verses in the bible that specifically forbid this kind of picking and choosing (i'm too lazy to look it up right now, but will if need be), but that doesn't seem to stop anyone. For instance, I've met a surprising number of gay people who call themselves christians. They just pick around the parts of the book that say they're going to hell, and should be publicly stoned to death, etc etc, and focus on the happy loving parts that they can agree with. Thats being a cafeteria christian.
In my opinion, if a book is so very right that your're going to live your life by it, and make important decisions based on what it advises, then you ought to respect the whole damn thing. Of course, there are so many silly outdated verses and obvious contradictions that actually living by it would be impossible. While the christian God may be a loving god, he is also quite clearly a vengefull, muderous, hatefull God. Theres no denying it; it's right there in the good book for everyone to see. I tend to like the MSB [misanthropic-bitch.com]'s take [misanthropic-bitch.com] on the bible, reproduced here without any permission at all. Funny, yes, but also so true: But seriously, how do you sleep at night knowing that if the bible is to be taken literally, you will certainly be going to hell? Most likely, by not taking it literally, I'd imagine. But if it's up to the reader to pick and choose and interpert the bible, how can you be sure you've interperted it correctly? Certainly, it has lead many many people down the wrong path. Throughout modern history, the bible has lead people to do stupid things. If we are to believe these instances are all due to misinterpertation of the bible's wholesome message, how can you be so sure your interpertation is so right?
And how can you even know the Bible is the right book to be interperting at all? If any one religion turned out to be the true religion, the billions of people (majority of the human population) who had placed their faith in a different religion would clearly be wrong. By aligning yourself with any exclusive belief system, you are automatically making the arrogant statement "I'm more right than the majority of the human population". I'd need some pretty strong evidence to make an arrogant statement like that, which is why I generally go with science. You know, that belief system with proof, backed up by the scientific method, and all that other good stuff, that doesn't ask you to make a "leap of faith" or tell you "thats just because god works in mysterious ways" and so on. It may not have all the answers (yet), but the answers it does have are backed up with some pretty good evidence.
I'm going to stop now, because it's late, and I'm ready to smoke a bowl and go to sleep.
Say a prayer for my lost soul, kind christian
Cafeteria = "A la carte"; // gotcha! (Score:2)
As for the quote, just because it is in the Bible doesn't mean it is an instruction, unless it is a direct command (like the 10 commandments). By putting in there the story of David having multiple (500 I believe) wives, God isn't saying polygomy is okay. If one reads the rest of that story, one finds that his wives were his downfall. The Bible CAN be taken literally, if ALSO taken in context. But you can't just read it, you have to study it and pray about it and rip it apart and put it back together. In my Bible study class, my teacher also reads and translates the original Greek in some places. This also depends on your definition of literal. Some of Jesus stories are parables, they represent something else. Matthew 13: 10-11 says, "10. And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?'' 11. He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. "
which is why I generally go with science. You know, that belief system with proof, backed up by the scientific method
Yes, I know science, and I believe in science to a degree. (Actually, I have a BS in Chemistry.) But I have seen many things that science can not explain. One very specific example was when I was a very young child. I had a very bad case of bacterial Spinal Meninjitis [musa.org]. It is fatal in 1 out of 10 cases. I had all the symptoms; seizure, high fever, vomiting, etc. The doctor told my mother I would almost definitely die. He also said my complications were so bad and my fever had been so high for so long, that if I did by some miracle survive (And it was a miracle) I would have brain damage, be blind, and I would lose most of my hearing.
I am 24 years old now. I graduate 4th in my class with honors from High school, earned my BS in Chemistry in 4 years on a full tuition scholarship, and have 20/20 vision and perfect hearing. The doctor could not explain it, when my parents tried to thank him, he actually said, "Don't think me, I didn't do this. Thank God and the people who were praying for him." I have seen my grandmother cured of cancer, I have seen things that science simply can not explain. To me saying, "Science can explain it, we just haven't discovered the how or why yet," is no worse than saying, "God works in mysterious ways." Science doesn't have all the answers, and neither does religion (don't confuse religion with God.)
Yes, God is vengeful and jealous, He has to be. But He gave us a way out of that, a very simple way. Let's use your "smoke a bowl" example. (I assume you were referring to pot.) Pot is illegal, you may not agree with that, actually I don't really agree with that. I don't smoke the stuff, but it is less dangerous than some of the other stuff that is legal, but I digress... The fact remains that it is illegal. Now lets move into parable mode and say the police is all knowing, so as soon as you spark that bowl, Officer Smith knocks down your door and arrests you. Let's also assume the penalty for possession is death. Now Officer Smith gives you a choice: Pay your dues and be put to death, or admit that almost 2000 years ago Officer Smith knew you were going to smoke that bud and he sent his perfect son and let some people kill him, and that he saved your life by doing that. Which option would you choose? OK, so it isn't a perfect parable (I'm not perfect after all) but I think you see where I'm going. Imagine that love. You didn't deserve a get out of jail free card, neither did I, and God knows everything you and I ever did, and everything you and I ever will do. And He STILL let His Son be crucified (which is a horrible way to die, you should read up on it just for the historical signifigance, if nothing else.) for us. That to me is amazing.
I also respect my right to discuss it on the internet. This being your journal, though, I'll drop the subject if you ask me to leave. I'm not trying to harrass anybody.
No, please, stay. I love to engage in an intellectual exchange of ideas. Just because your ideas are not mine doesn't mean they aren't valid. Who knows, you might even change my mind! (I am very open minded, I just have never found a set of belives that fit the data better than the ones I currently have. My current beliefs are not the ones I have always held, although I have always believed in God, I have modified how I view God and my perception of how He fits into my life.) I'm enjoying this banter, as I hope you are. I'm in this for the intellectual stimulation. If I learn something, or you learn something, that's all the better. I hope, if anything, I have improved you view of Christians. I hope now you realize that not all people who believe in God are closed minded.
I'm going to stop now, because I am having a cook out with my Bible study group, and we have some souls to pray for. ;-)
Re:Cafeteria = "A la carte"; // gotcha! (Score:2)
See, to me, a nonbeliever, it sounds a lot like Moses is telling his people to kill the little boys and nonvirgin women, and keep the virgins alive for themselves. And Moses is only doing what God commanded, as we hear a few lines later: 31:21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses.
And were these savage killers punished, so that the genocide they committed could serve as some sort of lesson in the Good Book? No, they 'purified' themselves, and that made everything alright. (They purified their captives too.) Seriously: This book is to be used as a moral guide? You'd let your kids read this? My god man! Please, put Numbers 31 [cforc.com]:15-21 in a context that makes it even slightly OK.
I'm sure I'll hear the retort about how this is all in the Old testament, as if that somehow it excusable. But if God is so all knowing, why would he have given Moses these orders, even then? Was killing women and children (and taking virgins for yourselves) somehow not wrong then? If the bible is true, and these things happened at God's command, he sure doesn't seem like the forgiving loving happy God I keep hearing about. In fact, if God came to earth in human form again, I think we'd probably have a pretty solid case against Him for war crimes. That is, if He existed, and wasn't a mere fictional creation of man. Why does he have to be? Matthew 19:26 tells us that "with God all things are possible.". Is it not possible for him to overcome his petty jealousy? I guess maybe that should read with God all things are possible, except dealing with childish jealousy, because gods a baby like that sometimes.
Moving on: Interesting parable. No just officer (or authority figure, or god) would give me such a choice, however. My options are both quite unreasonable, and neither would serve justice. On the one hand, I've got death (cruel, unusual, no chance for me to reform my wicked ways, etc etc) and on the other I've got "admitting that almost 2000 years ago Officer Smith knew you were going to smoke that bud and he sent his perfect son and let some people kill him". Now the first option is clearly no good for me, but the second is just preposterous. How does the death of Officer smith's son 2000 years ago have any relevance at all to my crimes today? (how did jesus' death 'absolve' anyone of sin?) And if Officer smith knew I was planning to smoke the bowl 2000 years ago, it's clearly out of my hands, so I really shouldn't be held responsible! And furthermore, how is my simple acknowledgement of these events going to change anything?! I'm not challenging your parable, I'm challenging the biblical logic you've based it on. Seriously, did Christ's death prevent sin in the following 2000 years? No, of course not. It just laid a massive guilt trip on sinners, and gave them an easy way (repentance) that they could feel a little better about themselves after the fact.
The "Jesus died for your sins" thing never made any sense at all. If god is all powerful, and nothing is beyond his ability, why did he choose the brutal death of his son as 'payment' for man's sins? Why did he even need payment in the first place? It makes no sense. Think about it.
Re:Cafeteria = "A la carte"; // gotcha! (Score:1)
Is she dealing with her fears? I wish you luck with that, man.
Your journal fans await further news!
Girl situation... (Score:2)
hey (Score:1)
Should I take your silence as a sign you'd rather not continue our conversation?
No... just been a bad week (Score:2)
Re:Cafeteria Christians? (Score:1)
I'm a Christian. I take the Bible for what it is: accounts of a) the history of Israel (though it's somewhat biased in that regard) b) people's experiences of God (most of the prophetic and apostolic type parts) and c) protest literature (Jonah, Ruth, and Job come to mind). These were all written by people, not a deity. They cannot be infallible (to raise them to infallibility is, imho, to be idolatrous.
I'd suggest reading the works of John Shelby Spong for an enlightening and contrarian view of the Bible.
Re:Cafeteria Christians? (Score:1)
I'd gladly explain why in great depth, but I already have elsewhere [slashdot.org] in this very journal discussion, and I need to get some sleep right now.
Re:I hate to feed a troll, but... (Score:2)
*Anyone* who *studies* the old and new testament can see discrepancies with the way God handled the Israel before Jesus and after Jesus. You don't often know the reasons. Anyone who wants to know the short answer only has to know that Jesus was there to supplant the lesser law (law of Moses) with the higher law (God's way of living). In other words, no more eye for eye or tooth for tooth. I am biased obviously, being a Mormon, but if you are interested in knowing the reasons why God seems to change, read the Book of Mormon. . If you have any serious questions, the Book of Mormon tries to address it in a simple and direct way. There needs to be no suspension of belief, only the desire to find out the truth. The Book of Mormon speaks for itself. [mormon.org]
This is a classic problem (Score:2)
This is a classic problem, well documented in the literature [cars.com].
-- MarkusQ
Ok... (Score:2)
I dumped my wife (then girlfriend) not once, not twice, but three times. Guess who felt unworthy? Of course, with her disabilities, she felt unworthy going into it. So we've both got issues.
What helped (finally) was talking. Lots of it. I suggest the same. Talk. And act. Be yourself. God, fate, or whatever has brought you this far. If it's meant to be, it will happen. But don't try to play a game. Don't try to 'prove' that you accept and enjoy her daughter. Just be yourself. Either those actions will be suitable to GF as father/husband/boyfriend/whatever, or they will not be enough. In which case... Too bad.
Have you talked about marriage? Is it one of those cases where it is all done except the ring and the walk down the aisle? Is that jumping ahead?
All I can say (from the wizened old age of 29 and just under 3 years of marriage) is to open up, don't change who you are, and let it take its course. Things are tough now. Things will be tough later. Life is a walk through the proverbial desert (perhaps the lesson to be gleaned from Exodus?)
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