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Journal Marxist Hacker 42's Journal: The Oregon Project, Part II 27

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I've had enough interest that 10 shares will be purchased for sure at some point in the future. That is enough interest for me to actually do something. Which I will do this weekend, to the extent of finishing the stockholder database and creating the program that spits out the stock certificates in PDF. If you really want to toss your $10 into the hat, http://seeberfamily.org/ORProj/ is the temporary website, and Paypal's transaction recording is already taking your e-mail & shipping information which will feed the stockholder database. I'm open to anybody who wants to redesign that single HTML file into something better- just view source, change to your concept, and send it to ORProj at information dot us. This is a coop, not a dictatorship, and the first 250 shares will raise the money to create a non-profit corporation that states that. I'm also open to somebody else other than me using this fund to create the initial corporation, if anybody wants to step up to the plate. I will insist that any money invested should go to established businesses experimenting with the technology to increase their bottom line at first- but that's just using our understanding of the future to grow the funds of the coop to buy more land. I also like very much the idea of using Cascadia as the base for the majority of the land purchases, but of course other places have resources we will need and there's nothing to stop us from say, buying a Columbian farm for our robots to grow coffee or a Brazilian sugar cane plantation for ethanol production. Or anything else the community may need in the future. I'm also open to a multinational (surprise!) and multicultural (Double surprise!) stockholder population- the corporation may well need, due to local laws, put some assets in your personal trust (for instance, I know Mexican law requires land ownership in Mexico to be Mexican citizens). All other ideas related to this are welcome.
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  • Or at least shortly... Don't know how long paypal takes to process.
    • Nearly instantaneous. I'll check tonight- don't want to check from work, being a state employee ethical considerations apply. I'll be putting out PDF stock certificates this weekend. Ted

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by zogger ( 617870 )
        You might want to check on SEC rules for issuing stock, etc.
        • I have. SEC rules only really count if you're going to be publically listed or incorporated, which is a bit above where we currently are. But that's part of the reason why I've limited the Angel Investor offering to 250 shares or $2500- IF this stays below $1500, I can refund (minus the paypal fees) the $9 and some odd cents a share, and no problem. If it only gets to someplace between 150-250 shares, I can still fold it into my home based business, pay taxes, and refund whatever's left on per-share basi
          • Hi! I sent you an email to the address listed in your .dot. profile, if that's incorrect could you direct me to a working one?
            • It might have gotten caught in my spam trap....I'll look for it. That is a working address. ORProj@informationr.us is the address for the Oregon Project- I'm trying to keep it separate.
            • I found it in the spam trap (as well as one other related to the Oregon Project). I'm not sure which is you, but I'll reply to the concerns here AND I'll reply directly to the e-mails when I get home tonight.

              Concern #1: What- if anything- is going to be done with the money from the initial Angel Investor Stock Offering. Answer: This money will be used to deal with the red tape of setting up the initial corporation when the first 250 shares have been sold. Money left over will go into the seed pot for
              • I'm number #3 (loucura! at the .dot ;) ), my other question: I hate dealing with Paypal, is there another payment method you'd be willing to entertain?
                • Working on that. I have had (strange as it may seem) a lot of good luck with paypal in the past, so it was a quick & easy way to set up an interest-bearing account for the project. In the future of course, there will be a checking account and a brokerage account attached to this- but I'm hoping my involvement as founder will mean that somebody else can play that game when the time comes.

                  For now, I'm thinking about using my personal business account, with a 1% fee just to keep it legit (which is much
          • OK, that's cool, just wanted to make sure you weren't shot down from redtape, etc. I don't do paypal, but I'll see about getting you some real coin.
            • Wait until next week- I'll have to set something up through my home business account (Information-R-Us), as for now (and until the project actually gets enough stockholders to get off the ground) The Oregon Project only has a paypal account. But you're the 2nd person to request it, so I'll see what I can set up (the other person wanted to do Western Union).

              • Re: (Score:1)

                by zogger ( 617870 )
                snail mail address, as in ship a real coin. I want you to have one to remind yourself of the reality of wealth versus...the other stuff., the wall street/central banks hustle. It's a great reminder, I keep one silver and one gold in my wallet all the time, just for that reason.
                • Coolio idea: 5470 SW Erickson Ave, Beaverton, OR 97005

                  Although, I've already got a few $1 pieces of real coin I picked up in Vegas last time I was there- including one for the Stratosphere, as it was in bankruptcy at the time and looked like it might become one of the shorter-lived icons on the strip (which turned out to be false). Right now they're being used as counterweights to balance out my Scott E Vest (they're massive enough, with $1 worth of brass in each of them, to do so).
            • I did get shot down- Bruce noticed that I missed an important paragraph in Regulation A. For that reason, tonight I'll be redoing the website real quick- and reissuing the first 10 certificates with a slightly different graphic. I'll re-anounce tomorrow.
              • I figured (without looking) there might be some snafus with it. No biggee. I picked up some more coin today and a mailer. Interesting project, glad to "donateinvest" to it. Hopefully having the corp hold real coin as part of it's holdings will become a useful thing. Nothing like separating the real from the ersatz, I say. Fiat currency is a *prime* example of how the workers get shafted using artificial scarcity. Whereas asset based and built currency *isn't*, it is what it is, and (short of universal repli
                • True enough- though for this first stage we want *some* inflation, though when we invest in land I'm thinking we'll want to invest in ghost towns (not enough water or transportation, but plenty of sunshine, gold, silver, and iron in Eastern Oregon. I know of at least 4 mining towns that went downhill when the Sumpter Valley Railway pulled up stakes and gold prospecting became illegal in 1949.)

                  The way I'll handle you, personally, is by actually buying your coin, dollar for dollar, and putting the share in
    • I hope you MEANT to buy 5 shares- it's all there this morning.....Slashdot standards indicate that I can't have a thought that takes only 19 seconds to type, so I've added this nice long sentence that takes 20 seconds to type.
      • Indeed, I did. As I said in the original comment, 1 or 5... I picked 5.
        • You'll have your stock certificates (think numbered between 6-15, some place in that range anyhow, I forgot to do an exact count this morning) sometime this weekend. I'm playing with Open Office Base for the stockholder database and reporting to PDF, as I think that format will last a bit longer than Access MDB, and at this point I just can't justify doing it in MySQL or anything harder. That, and I'm not quite sure what my free Office 2007 license allows that I picked up at the Vista Launch, where I'm su
  • On a side note, one thing that could be handy is a counter of the number of shares bought so far on the website. If you need a hand with that, just let me know (my public email and Jabber ID are both in my /. profile).
    • I'd be willing to farm out the entire website redesign to you- server is Omnipro Httpd, running PHP. If you can link it to Base through JDBC, I think I could move the entire thing over there. Let's talk.

      I will be putting up a better website tonight for the official announcement tomorrow. It will include a snail mail address for those who don't trust paypal.

      • I'd be willing to farm out the entire website redesign to you- server is Omnipro Httpd, running PHP. If you can link it to Base through JDBC, I think I could move the entire thing over there. Let's talk.

        I can do web stuff in both PHP and Java, but I'm not quite sure from your words which one it is that you prefer. Not a designer, though - but if someone can come up with a sketch of visual design, I can certainly replicate it in proper HTML/CSS.

        As for Base, I've only had a cursory glance at it a long time

        • It's got a JDBC driver (in fact, OO won't connect to a Base database from Base without JDBC installed), and while I don't have server side Java available right now, Scott Lockwood (LRSEHosting.com, a web hosting company) might well be offering it. Do grab the latest version, since I ran into that potential SEC trouble I've had to reword a few things and make sure that things are a bit more obvious. The database is the same as I've sent you in e-mail. Go ahead and do a server-side Java version, and we'll

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