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Comment: Re:Found one! (Score 1) 577

by khasim (#46757409) Attached to: Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Creationism isn't the topic of this thread, so what would you call the introduction of an unrelated topic, if not a strawman?

Learn what straw man means. It does not mean anything you do not like.

Besides, you're not really pretending you didn't say that, are you?

I've quoted the portion where you brought up "moron". I've linked to your quote where you brought up "moron".

No "pretending" needed. You said it. Then you objected to it. That's a straw man.

For the record, here is my actual argument:

For the record, I posted a direct quote from you and the link to that quote.

Here is your quote, again:

No, I mean like people who "point out" the evidence for evolution by looking at Creationists and saying things like, "goddamn but you're a moron! How is it that you're allowed to breed? Someone should put you down for the good of society!"

You brought up "moron" and then you objected to it.

That is a straw man.

Comment: Re:Found one! (Score 1) 577

by khasim (#46751273) Attached to: Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

Since you're not going to bother scrolling back up the page to see what I mean, I'll go ahead and say it - that comment was in response to your strawman about Creationists.

That statement was from you but you attempted to imply that it was from me.

That is a straw man.

Pointing out that Jenny McCarthy and Creationists BOTH ignore scientific evidence is not a straw man.

You were the one who started talking about "morons". Let me quote you and provide a link:

No, I mean like people who "point out" the evidence for evolution by looking at Creationists and saying things like, "goddamn but you're a moron! How is it that you're allowed to breed? Someone should put you down for the good of society!"

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5028117&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=46749487

That is your comment and that is you making a straw man about "moron" claims.

Look, Brah, I don't care what you think about feelings, or damage, or strawmen, or whatever.

Except that you do and that has been your entire argument. I need to be nicer about pointing out that some people ignore all the scientific evidence that contradicts them. Then you go off on a straw man.

Measles does not care about feelings.

Comment: Re:Found one! (Score 1) 577

by khasim (#46750573) Attached to: Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

My mistake for assuming that I was talking to someone who understands what the words he uses means. Words like "straw man."

That would be your hypothetical straw man friends whom you claimed were calling Jenny McCarthy a "moron".

What I said was that she (and the anti-vaccine people like her) do not have any evidence to support their claims.

FWIW, I'm not the hypocrite who's putting up strawmen and accusing others of doing the same thing when they make the apparent mistake of responding.

Yes you are. And you are "tone trolling".

Like I keep saying, measles does not care about your feelings.

Herd immunity has precisely dick to do with how you present your argument.

And, again, measles does not care about your feelings.

And now there are outbreaks of measles because of the anti-vaccination people. Real people. Real diseases. Real damage. None of your hypothetical straw men needed.

Comment: Re:Found one! (Score 1) 577

by khasim (#46750199) Attached to: Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

No, I mean like people who "point out" the evidence for evolution by looking at Creationists and saying things like, "goddamn but you're a moron! How is it that you're allowed to breed? Someone should put you down for the good of society!"

Well that's good. Maybe you should take all your hypothetical straw man friends on a party cruise.

Make all the excuses for anti-social behavior that you want, but the fact is if you're being an asshole to someone for being wrong, you're only serving to make the problem worse, not better.

You might want to look up some of the outbreaks of diseases that have happened recently.

Oh, you won't, will you. Because actual damage to actual people doesn't fit your hypothetical straw man.

Anyone who refuses to get their children vaccinated BECAUSE I SAID THAT JENNY MCCARTHY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND BASIC SCIENCE is not going to change because I don't state that.

That is what a "zealot" is about.

Jenny McCarthy isn't stopping you from getting your kids vaccinated, and being a dick to her and her kind for holding a certain viewpoint is only going to make them grasp it even harder.

Look up "herd immunity". They're increasing the risk by NOT getting the vaccinations.

Which is why there are outbreaks of diseases such as measles now.

Facts. Not feelings. Measles will not care about your feelings.

Comment: Re:Bloody Idiot (Score 1) 577

by Yaztromo (#46749513) Attached to: Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

How long have we been vaccinating kids for? How long have we known about "autism"?

History of Autism

"Autism" as it is currently used was defined in 1938. The first vaccines were developed in the late 1700s, however, the first of the components of what are now the MMR vaccine were introduced in 1963 with the first measles vaccine (Timeline of Vaccines)

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They tried that crap on my own kid who didnt behave well in school. Instead, I tried more discipline and a stricter policy and now he's a "Straight A" student.

Really, so how many times a day should I beat my autistic daughter who is completely unable to speak because of her condition? Do you recommend using paddles, straps, or electrocution? Maybe I should just lock her in a closet and feed her a bucket of fish heads once a week? Please Doctor Anonymous, share your wisdom!

Yaz

Comment: Re:Found one! (Score 1) 577

by khasim (#46749083) Attached to: Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

No, I'm pretty sure the use of zealots here refers to those who are so fanatically devoted to their position that they'll inevitably drive people away from the truth, due to their overbearing assholishness.

You mean like people who keep pointing out the evidence for evolution when Creationists insist that humans were riding dinosaurs 6,000 years ago?

If the basis for your understanding of the world is who is nicer to you then you have a problem.

Jenny McCarthy can talk all she wants about how "mommies" have a special understanding of medicine and science that equals or surpasses that of people who have spent years studying it. And there are a lot of people who will believe her. Because they want to FEEL special.

But an epidemic of measles does not care about their FEELINGS.

Comment: That's bullshit. (Score 5, Insightful) 577

by khasim (#46746323) Attached to: Jenny McCarthy: "I Am Not Anti-Vaccine'"

I think she is wrong to connect vaccines to autism.

That is her whole point. She claimed that vaccines cause autism. If you don't want to risk giving your children autism then do not vaccinate them.

But attacking her personally is not necessary or relevant.

Pointing out that she has NO medical training is NOT "attacking her personally".

She is making specific medical claims. She is doing so without any evidence.

Her general position that she is not against vaccines in general but only against un-safe vaccines is a valid position.

Bullshit!

If that is so then you should be able to show which vaccines she claims are "safe". AND what her MEDICAL evidence is for those being "safe" versus the "un-safe" vaccines.

The only issue is: Are existing vaccines safe and could they be made safer?

That is MORE bullshit.

The issue is whether "existing vaccines" cause autism or not.

So far, there is NO medical evidence to support her claims.

Comment: Re:It's time we own up to this one (Score 1) 149

by Bruce Perens (#46730395) Attached to: NSA Allegedly Exploited Heartbleed
I think we need to take a serious look at the "many eyes" theory because of this. Apparently, there were no eyes on the part of parties that did not wish to exploit the bug for close to two years. And wasn't there just a professional audit by Red Hat that caught another bug, but not this one?

Comment: Re:It's time we own up to this one (Score 3, Informative) 149

by Bruce Perens (#46729769) Attached to: NSA Allegedly Exploited Heartbleed
I'd say more than just the "community". We have a great many companies that incorporate this software and generate billions from the sales of applications or services incorporating it, without returning anything to its maintenance.I think it's a sensible thing to ask Intuit, for example: "What did you pay to help maintain OpenSSL?". And then go down the list of companies.

Comment: It's time we own up to this one (Score 4, Insightful) 149

by Bruce Perens (#46729661) Attached to: NSA Allegedly Exploited Heartbleed

OK guys. We've promoted Open Source for decades. We have to own up to our own problems.

This was a failure in the Open Source process. It is just as likely to happen to closed source software, and more likely to go unrevealed if it does, which is why we aren't already having our heads handed to us.

But we need to look at whether Open Source projects should be providing the world's security without any significant funding to do so.

Education

Phil Shapiro says 20,000 Teachers Should Unite to Spread Chromebooks (Video) 101

Posted by Roblimo
from the computers-for-eager-young-minds-and-fingers dept.
Phil Shapiro often loans his Chromebook to patrons of the public library where he works. He says people he loans it to are happily suprised at how fast it is. He wrote an article earlier this month titled Teachers unite to influence computer manufacturing that was a call to action; he says that if 20,000 teachers demand a simple, low-cost Chromebook appliance -- something like a Chrome-powered Mac mini with a small SSD instead of a hard drive, and of course without the high Mac mini price -- some computer manufacturer will bite on the idea. Monitors? There are plenty of used ones available. Ditto speakers and keyboards, not that they cost much new. The bottom line is that Phil believes Chromebooks, both in their current form factor and in a simpler one, could be "the" computer for schools and students. Maybe so, not that Android tablets are expensive or hard to use. And wait! Isn't there already a Chromebox? And even a Chromebase all-in-one Chrome-based desktop? In any case, Chrome-based computers look pretty good for schools and libraries, especially if and when prices for the simplest members of the family get down to where Phil thinks they should be. (Alternate video link)

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