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Comment Re:NSA and "parallel construction" (Score 1) 206

The doctrine is worth defending, but the fact remains: NSA-provided data has not been — and can not be, not by itself, anyway — used to frame an innocent person.

That's assuming it's real evidence. The problem with parallel construction (aside from the obvious fact that it allows the circumvention of our 4th Amendment rights) is that without the ability to know where the hell the evidence against you came from, there's no way to investigate it or question its validity. If the police or prosecution are just allowed to make up a story about where evidence came from, what's to prevent them from fabricating evidence in the first place?

Comment Re:Manipulate people opinions (Score 1) 133

I don't think that Coke is just pushing back against the idea that, say, corn syrup is particularly bad. They seem to be pushing back agains the idea that calorie intake is a big deal at all. Their groundbreaking scientific theory appears to be, "Sure, excess calories make you fat, but that doesn't mean it's your diet. Maybe you should just run a few extra miles a day so you can keep drinking your daily 3 liters of Coke!"

Comment Re:23% of the company (Score 1) 471

The thing about being a shareholder is that you get rewarded with money if your executives make good decisions and you lose money if they make bad decisions. That's pretty much the entire shareholder experience. The idea that shareholders exist to reap the rewards of good corporate governance but should be insulated from the pain of bad governance makes no sense. They already enjoy complete access to the upside with only limited liability. That's a pretty good deal as it is.

As for jailing, it seems like we should be jailing the people directly involved, not the shareholders or the board (unless the board knew about it). I'd be OK with reducing the fines to the corporation provided the corporation is very helpful in building criminal cases against everybody who was actually involved.

Comment Re:what are the criminal charges? (Score 1) 301

I think there's a good argument to be made that a lot of buyers were defrauded. The product they're driving doesn't have the performance characteristics they thought it did, and that's due to deliberate deception. I would not be a happy car owner if I had one of those models right now.

Comment Re:18 billion dollars, good luck with that (Score 1) 301

What makes it ridiculously high? The fact that it might put them under doesn't really say anything about whether it's the wrong number.

If I get a parking ticket three times a day every day for a few years, that number would probably end up being eye poppingly huge, but it's not like I didn't know what the consequences were when I started misbehaving, and it certainly doesn't mean that the fine for an individual violation is somehow unjust. If anything, it implies that the fine was not high enough to deter me.

In any case, I'd be happy to see that fine reduced as an incentive for the company to be very forthcoming with information needed for criminal prosecutions. Of course, that would require criminal prosecutions.

Comment Re:Wait, what? (Score 1) 361

I know this is probably a waste of time, but in case there are people who are interested in something more than bald assertions:

It's pretty easy to make an herbicide. Just make something that's ridiculously toxic and kills stuff. Making a *good* herbicide that just kills plants is a lot harder. Roundup works by preventing a chemical process that happens only in plants and bacteria, which is pretty damned specific. Its toxicity to mammals is incredibly low, especially relative to the quantities it's used in as an herbicide. It's *possible* that it may have a chronic affect by damaging your gut flora, but in terms of what it actually does to you, it's pretty damned inert. Find me an example of a reasonably useful herbicide that's less toxic to humans.

Of course, it's made by MONSANTO, so it must be a super-duper-double-secret conspiracy to give us autism or something. Anybody who points to the actual toxicity data is just a shill, and anonymous trolls who toss off one-liners have the real truth.

Comment Re:Bold ingenuity? (Score 1) 234

Letting the water price float out here wouldn't be primarily about residential users. Even at the lowest tier price, residential users pay far more for water than the average price across all uses. Letting the price float in California would mainly bite the agricultural users, who currently consume most of the water and pay a tiny fraction of the residential rate for it. Letting that rate to go a market price would solve our water problem, very likely without any more real changes to residential usage one way or another. There just aren't that many rich people with lawns to make a difference one way or another when you compare it to the cost of running big farms in the desert.

Comment Re:Wait, what? (Score 1) 361

Do you have anything of substance to offer or do you simply parrot Monsanto's talking points?

I'm sorry, who are you? Did I miss you making an actual argument addressing anything I said somewhere? If so, I'm sorry.

1/3 of the posts in this story are you posting corporate drivel.

I don't know, your posting "Nuh uh!" after all of my posts could skew the numbers a little bit. If we keep it up we'll asymptotically approach 50% each.

Hopefully you also get sprayed with round up along with all the other Monsanto employees.

I'm not even in the biotech or agriculture industry. I just find pseudoscience fascinating, so I end up in threads about young earth creationism, anti vaccine nonsense, hilarious audiophile products, etc. The GMO debate has proved to be a rich source of all sorts of interesting half-truths, passionate ignorance, and general nutbaggery.

Unfortunately, while the creationists on /. come up with fascinating and engaging rationalizations in the face of overwhelming evidence, the anti-GMO people here seem to mostly just shout "Shill!" while arguments bounce right off them. It's like doing a card trick for an audience of housecats.

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