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Comment: Re:Bad Summary, Only new part is the sharing optio (Score 1) 477 477

I wonder, though, if you give your pass to a guest who is using win10 (unbeknownst to you) and your router is set to not allow win10 devices (is this possible? I'm not techie enough), would their win10 machine still save the pass and share it?

I don't know of any AP's that support this feature, but I'm sure you could have the router issue deauth packets to any MAC address that you've identified as belonging to a windows 10 device, that way it isn't able to communicate with any other devices on the node (e.g. for hacking purposes.) I suspect such an AP would exist, because I know that Marriot was using the same attack to prevent people from using their own private APs near their hotel.

As for how you might identify a windows 10 device to begin with, I wouldn't be at all surprised if any of its 802.11 frames included any bits that could be uniquely linked to that OS version. One way I could think of would be to look for MAC OUIs that are used on Lumia devices. It seems this feature is only for Windows 10 mobile devices, so that alone would keep out at least 90% of them.

Comment: Re:Fee Fees Hurt? (Score 3, Interesting) 251 251

Indeed, who is going to tell what constitutes "serious emotional distress"? Are we simply witnessing the creation of "a right to be offended", or a new era of psychologist judges?

I'm just wondering how the hell they plan to enforce it. From what I understand, it's already basically obligatory to use a VPN in NZ (e.g. to torrent or watch US netflix) so somebody using their VPN for trolling purposes doesn't seem far fetched.

Comment: Re:Bad Summary, Only new part is the sharing optio (Score 0) 477 477

Nononono.

See, mad is what happened to you after you saw a Google bus, because you believe that it was responsible for you having to take out a second mortgage on your cardboard box, even though in reality it's because you're so dumb that nobody will pay you more than minimum wage to clean the scum off of the bottom of a McDonald's fryer.

Comment: Re:Bad Summary, Only new part is the sharing optio (Score 1) 477 477

if you are giving guests your wifi password then you have already opted in to whatever that guest decides to do with it, they could publish it on facebook, email all their other friends. once you hand out access you have already lost control regardless of the device they are using.

Yes because having it stored in reversible crypto on Microsoft's publi facing servers is so much better.

It just means that the only safe and sane thing to do is to forbid Windows 10 devices from joining your network.

Comment: Re:Bad Summary, Only new part is the sharing optio (Score 1) 477 477

And if they're doing it in public, you'll probably be aware enough to change your password.

Not only that, but I don't want my passwords being stored on Microsoft's servers.

Oh wait a minute, you're that moron who thinks layer 3 switches are merely "bad routers." Go back to whatever high school you dropped out of, and for the good of the world NEVER go into IT or anything else besides janitorial work.

Comment: Re:Bad Summary, Only new part is the sharing optio (Score 4, Insightful) 477 477

And if you give your wifi credentials to a guest who needs access to your network, they can opt you in without your permission or even your knowledge.

The only way then to prevent unknown people from having your wifi password is to forbid Windows 10 mobile users from accessing your network.

Comment: Re: Altough I agree (Score 1) 61 61

They've been holding out for the long term for about 5 years now. Presently Microsoft loses 12 cents on every mobile device they sell, and that doesn't even count the R&D and marketing costs. There is all of zero indication that things will turn around. Every so often there's a new WP, and the fanboys jump for joy saying that "this is the one that will fix it all, omg its so awesome!" and the result is just crickets.

I've heard it described that developing apps on WP feels as restricted as writing code in javascript on a web browser.

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