Comment Re: How is this front page worthy? (Score 1) 35
The only other options are Finale and the new not-really-the-same-since-Avid-bought-them Sibaleus
Notion is actually pretty great, and a good deal cheaper than Finale or Sibelius.
The only other options are Finale and the new not-really-the-same-since-Avid-bought-them Sibaleus
Notion is actually pretty great, and a good deal cheaper than Finale or Sibelius.
i stopped reading there, you're not worth my time
No ya didn't. You read that 5 times or more....fuming....seething. How dare I not acquiesce? And then you copped out because you have no argument that is based in reality. This is all conjured up garbage in your head.
yes, moron: advertising and charging for something are completely different business models
Listen, you obstinate prick, please stop embarrassing yourself. The only thing different about that is who the specific customer is. Different markets, sure, different "business model", no. At the end of the day, it's selling music.
Sorry, Charlie. You've been served. Thanks for playing.
I understand how advertising works. Which is a wonderful way to make money off of music. Which I also mentioned in my comment above that you responded too. And is nothing at all like charging for music. Are you OK?
Man, do you ever get dizzy from spinning around to all these different positions? You must. So it's a "wonderful way to make money off of music", but it's "nothing at all like charging for your music"? You're simply not making any sense. I think what you might be saying is that charging an advertiser, or a film maker, or a television production company for using music is different that charging Joe Sixpack for downloading a song. If that is what you're saying, then yes, I agree that it's different. However, that difference does not negate the validity of some form of copyright protection for the artist. This is the mechanism that artists have to collect the wonderful money that you're graciously giving us your permission to make.
Well we can go back further if you like. How about 1885? 1585? 1485 BC? There was no recorded music. Did music exist? The advent of recorded music as a commodity began and ended in the last century. It is the aberration, not the magic rule This Is How God Intended. For every century before, you got a patron, and/ or you charged for performance. Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms would frequently wake up crying at the injustice of their inability to charge for recordings and how it was impeding their ability to make music. Right?
Yes, of course music existed. No, recorded music is not an aberration, it is a progression. Is television an aberration as opposed to live theater? Your silly example of Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms simply doesn't hold water. During those times, there were many alternative ways for those artists to make money from their music. Pieces could be commissioned (as they often were). Society in general was much more in the habit of going and paying to see orchestras perform work by these composers for many reasons...not the least of which was because there was NO OTHER WAY TO HEAR IT. Unless of course you think that said composers were doing a "one man band" thing and travelling all over Europe performing with a tin cup in front of them for a living. No. Your argument is a red herring, and you know you're comparing apples and oranges.
Is it that you believe the last century is the only way music can be made? That if music be produced by some other economic model that's just me being a selfish jerk? Or is it possible you have no historical perspective and no imagination and your mind is closed and uneducated?
Of course not. I'm interested in what this "other economic model" is you're referencing here. Because prior to this, you certainly seem to have been suggesting that music should simply be "free". This seems quite different from there being some other way to monetize music. I have plenty of historical perspective, much of it from my own personal experience in the industry, and certainly do not lack any imagination. It's rather ironic that you assert such a thing, when it seems clear that you're unable to step outside your own view and understand all of the moving parts to this evolving situation.
Well, either that, or you're an unhappy, argumentative person who likes to think of himself as an intellectual and feels entitled to prattle on about subjects upon which he has absolutely no experience.
When the printing press was introduced some monks decried it as an affront to their means of support. Horseshoe blacksmiths were not happy with the arrival of the railroad and automobile. Typewrite manufacturers insisted the computer industry was abhorrent and could not be allowed to hurt God's Only And True word processing tool.
Le sigh. Yet another condescending red herring. The monks job was to physically copy the work that an author (i.e. artist) had created. And as far as I'm aware, authors are also protected by copyright. Unless of course all works of literature should also be "free", right? Those selfish pricks like Steinbeck, Salinger, and Hemingway. How DARE they charge for their books? Shit man, it's just words. Anybody can make sentences.
Everything changes my friend. Adapt, or die.
To quote Vincent Vega, you ain't my friend, Palooka. And while I adore this dialog with someone who clearly believes he is looking down his nose at me while "schooling" me on how things are changing, I realize that this is truly an exercise in futility. You're very clearly incorrect, but for some reason, you have your fingers in your ears and you're shrieking "la la la la" like a child having a tantrum because he can't get his way. We, the artists, are indeed adapting. We're doing so in spite of unsupportive, short sighted people like yourself who have the gall to parade around as if your charge is to "stick it to the man", never once considering the other implications.
Yes and somehow you still got Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Handel, Bizet... want me to continue the list?
You mean the list of anachronistic references that have absolutely nothing to do with this conversation? No, I'm all set thanks. Yes, all famous, successful, accomplished composer and musicians. However, you're equating it to now, which is very different. Aristocrats no longer pay composers to commission pieces of music to play at the ball in honor of their daughter turning 16. Entire villages no longer turn out regularly to see and support their local musicians/artists/theaters because there's nothing else to do.......nowadays people watch tv, go to movies, or post on slashdot. You're making a comparison between two completely different times. Those guys were successful without current copyright law because a) they were goddamn musical genuises and b) because society was simpler back then, and there were many different ways for those artists to make money.
Music worked fine without copying for centuries, many forms of art still do now-a-days, or do you think that sculptors, painters and the such get to copy their works ad infinitum for a living?
Yes, music did work fine without copyright for centuries......BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A GODDAMN WAY TO COPY IT. And yes, you silly person, artists DO indeed get paid for copies of their works. Unless of course you think that all those pictures that you're buying at Garden Ridge and World Market to hang in your home are all originals that were hand painted just for you.
Now where you and I do agree (believe it or not, we do share a little common ground) is that no, these privileges should not be "ad infinitum". However, your argument seems to be that ANY copyright protection is worthless and should be abandoned. I also agree that the current copyright system has been exploited in many ways to benefit large, predatory corporations, and of course agree that many artists have been screwed by this process. I should know. I've experienced it personally. However, to suggest that there be NO mechanism for artists to monetize their music just doesn't make any sense.
Because blacks commit more violent crime than all other races combined
You might want to check your numbers.
Do staff go down with O2 tanks for maintenance, cleaning, server work, etc?
Agreed. And don't forget to include the Facility Infrastructure (UPS, Transfer Switches, Switchgear, etc). To that point, I wonder how their generators function with no oxygen. Kinda hard to ignite diesel with no oxygen, just sayin'.
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