It actually matches what he's said for a long time.

You mean it matched the rest of his false campaign promises.

Iraq was the 'bad' war

More campaign rhetoric - and they were both bad wars. If Obama had been president in 2003, he might not have launched a full scale invasion. Instead, he might have spent 7 months bombing the country in full violation of both the Constitution and the War Powers Act, as he did with Libya. Fun fact: Obama's own vice president vowed to support Bush's impeachment in 2007 if he had done the same thing with Iran. And instead of kidnapping innocent targest and torturing them, he would have simply murdered them with drones. And he could have funded extremists from Saudi Arabia and Qatar to come in as "freedom fighters", and we'd have had ISIS a decade early - fun for everybody.

But Obama's extension and expansion of the occupation of Afghanistan is a complete and utter debunking of the notion that he wanted to 'cut and run' from Iraq, and that's a fact that you and the Obamabots are just going to have to deal with. Do you guys meet for coffee on Tuesdays to discuss talking points?

That's the problem for you: I did read your posts. All of them in the thread. The notion that Obama was a cut-and-run peacenik who couldn't wait to get out of Iraq - at the same time he was tripling forces in Afghanistan and extending that occupation another 15 years - requires a level of willful ignorance that goes far beyond 11.

He's a nightmare rightwing freakshow. The greatest farce of our time is the battle between the Obamabots, who think he's a helpless bystander constrained by Republicans, and the wingers complaining about Obama being soft when he's the worst Dem warmonger since LBJ.

1) Facebook and Twitter are not school websites. What happens on them is not the school's business. Someone threatens another student, or you have some Steubenville-style jocks bragging about sexually assaulting someone? Turn it over to the police.

2) You have control over what you say. You don't have control over Billy Bob's Facebook postings, where he claims to have shared a bong with you at a party (that you didn't even attend)

3) Yes, people should be able to socialize without the state snooping on them without probable cause.

That's a popular theory

You misspelled indisputable fact.

It looks like Obama merely grabbed onto that as an excuse to leave.

At the same time he was tripling forces in Afghanistan and arranging them to stay there till the mid twenty twenties? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Obama was as serious about withdrawing from Iraq as he was about reforming NAFTA or closing Gitmo.

Blaming the Bush timetable is silly.....he had several years to change the timetable (and not to mention that Bush was an idiot so doing anything because that is what Bush planned is utterly moronic.

It's really not hard to understand. If you had hostile foreign troops occupying your land, would you want to extend them immunity to shoot you on the street for no reason?

The articles I linked to demonstrate that the Iraqis wanted the troops to stay.

See above.

But don't worry, most people are wrong sometimes.

Yes, you are.

I gave quotes that showed Obama clearly didn't want the troops to stay.

And I could spend all day posting promises from Obama's 2008 campaign. Broken promises. Moreso than most politicians, you ignore what he says and pay attention to what he does. And what Obama does is invade, occupy, bomb and assassinate with the best right wing conservative hawk you can name. Because he's one of them.

Even the article you cite states that immunity for US troops was a deal killer.

Which is why Obama had to give up his dreams of extending the Iraq occupation. Exactly as I said.

The fact remain that Obama wanted all out at any cost and the immunity was the perfect deal breaker.

The fact is the only thing higher than that on the right wing dumbfuckometer is blaming Clinton for Ruby Ridge, which happened before he was even elected to the presidency, much less took office. You're saying Obama was too chicken to stay in Iraq at the same time he was tripling forces in Afghanistan, and arranging for them to stay there not just through his second term, but Obama's successors second term?

The same president that has spent more on wars and spying than Bush, bombed twice as many countries as Bush, and signed the NDAA into law - along with dozens of other far out batshit crazy right wing warmonger crap actions on his resume - suddenly went all Dennis Kucinich on Iraq? The same Iraq that Obama is bombing right now because ISIS, Obama's own Mujahadin got out of hand?

Dumb. Fuckery.

You're aware you're still comparing apples to batshit irrelevant oranges, yes? Cameras in banks and stores are to prevent malefactors from walking off with money or goods. There aren't going to be malefactors running trains, unless you have an operator like that suicidal co-pilot who crashed that Germanwings flight. Who DGAF that his actions were being recorded, because he was suicidal.

I'm not talking about the world, just America.

You know "the world" includes America, yes? Where there are 60 million poor whites in generational poverty? Which wouldn't be the case if we spent "more than enough money" addressing it.

When we speak of helping poor students, we generally mean helping them achieve academic success. Not helping them get rich. So "all the poor straight-A students" are actually the success story here, not an object of pity.

Nope.

It's like you're having the wrong conversation

It's like you're annoyed that you said something completely nonsensical, and someone noticed.

Perhaps you should read this post, then refute anything in it:

Perhaps you could explain why either of you is going on about freight when the subject is passenger service?

Both health care (Medicare) and pensions (Social Security) have not only not been "raided", but are being unsustainably financed by politicians too terrified to attempt any reform.

Repeating fifty-year-old Bircher nonsense doesn't make it true. It just makes you more deluded for repeating it.

I know a "proper" caste system is wrong on several levels

But you like it anyway. That student grades are most dependent on the financial status of one's parents isn't a sign of inequality, it's a sign that we should bring back the system where you are an aristocrat, a member of the bourgeois, or an Untouchable.

If you're mother flipped burgers, the best you will do is flip burgers. If you're fuckup that goes so far as to kill people in a DUI? Forgiveness and an eventual corporate position for you.

We spend more than enough money trying to help the troubled kids.

Generational poverty laughs at your willful ignorance of the world. As do all the poor straight-A students who will never see a hundredth of the earnings of the rich kid who flunked out of high school between his second and third cocaine busts.

I'd say Musk relies far less on tax dollars than Jobs did. Apple, despite all their billions, pays virtually no taxes. Tesla got a government loan and paid it off early with interest.

Your first sentence seems to disagree with the second....as well as the rest of your post. Case in point:

There's a tax subsidy for buying an electric car

There isn't one for buying a Mac or an iPhone. So...who's getting benefits from tax dollars again?

These days, Slashdotters have been Musk worshiping even worse than they used to Jobs worship.

You're as likely to find Jobs worship on Slashdot as you are to find praise of socialism at a Republican convention, Hateboi.

Ah, there it is.

Yes, the American Exceptionalist Butthurt. Even when your best is half what other countries with far less money can do....'Murica! Fuck yeah!

You are aware that plenty of people are monitored for their entire shift in much less safety critical jobs, like bank tellers, grocery or retail store cashiers, dock workers, etc, yes?

You are aware that's because of the risk of theft, yes? What is a train operator going to steal?