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Comment Revolutionary Idea (Score 2) 328

Poe's Law.

These are all actually equally crazy ideas, but there's a lot of nutcases going around clamoring for the first one. "Copyright should be limited to the original creator's natural life." Simple question: why?

Second question: why do we have to wait for the government to fix this? I suppose there's a pretty good reason to have a maximum copyright duration so Disney doesn't immediately realize their dreams of indefinite copyright, but there shouldn't be anything wrong with licensing a work so that it reverts to the public domain in a more reasonable time frame. Creative Commons and other permissive licenses have been making slow progress towards an open culture, shouldn't this be the next step?

Comment Re: Their comments on trolls/trolling (Score 1) 184

The rest is fully achievable using ConsoleKit2. You realize you don't understand it, which is good ;-)

Link please. AFAIK, it isn't possible to run Xorg as non-root in a safe manner using either CK or ConsoleKit2.

And BTW, the difficulty in running xorg as non-root in a safe manner is caused by the way the Linux kernel handles devices, not Xorg. That is why you need user session management from systemd-logind in order to secure that attached devices can't be abused to compromise security.

Comment Re:Forked the Debian? or the Debian? (Score 1) 184

I had the impression your post had an agenda, and then I read, at the end, you confirmed it:

When FreeBSD changes to a modern init-system (they will probably clone systemd)

Sure, my agenda is to show that supporting multiple init systems is very difficult.

That FreeBSD (and other BSD's) will change to a systemd-like init system is a given thing too. Even the founder of FreeBSD has publicly said it is in the future for FreeBSD.

The fact is that the way people uses computers have changed dramatically the last decade; virtualization, OS containers, instantiated services, mobile devices etc. SysVinit and similar legacy style script based init systems simply aren't up to working with all this.

So when FreebSD change their init system (and they will), they won't support a free choice between the new init system and old legacy script based init systems either.

Comment Re:Forked the Debian? or the Debian? (Score 1) 184

If it isn't a bug, why patch it?

And this is a clear systemd bias (and GNOME attitude).

If systemd says it is not a bug, then it is not. And if something doesn't work - well, somebody opened a ticket about something NOT working - then something does NOT work. And if the systemd refused to fix it - who's going to?

Not every bug filed is an actual bug, even though the submitter feels it is. Saying no to bad patches and closing non-bugs with a "not-a-bug" is the daily grind of developers and package maintainers.

The "Heartbleed" bug is a prime example on how bad things can go when you accept patches that circumvent security measures in order to support obscure user cases.

Really, systemd developers accept a huge amount of patches from hundreds of different non-systemd developers each year, suggesting that they won't accept patches is simply contrary to reality. I have yet to see a reasonable patch being rejected on the systemd-mailing list.

The whole position of systemd implementors in Debian was and probably still is: we change how the whole system works, but we are totally not responsible if something breaks, because it is, duh, mainline systemd.

I really don't see the Debian systemd maintainers that way at all. They seem to be hard working and serious to me. I have yet to see a example of them accepting breakage because mainline systemd. As I said, there are Debian developers with commit access to the systemd git tree, so they obviously have a lot of influence on systemd as a upstream project.

Tollef Fog Heen was pretty clear that he is not going to do anything special for Debian. (He is (or was at the time) a Fedora user already anyway.)

I have seen no examples or evidence of this. Really, what specific non-trivial patches could Debian need that couldn't go into mainline systemd? Can't think of any, nor have I ever seen it on the mailing list.

Huh?

If you can't tell what the hell the trivial commit does, then you are obviously not a software developer.

It is trivial, but it is Debian distro specific and in upstream systemd. There are a lot more examples in the git tree, and also of Debian influence in the general design of systemd. You assertion that systemd developers doesn't care or won't accommodate the Debian distro is therefore unfounded.

That systemd actually accepts trivial distro specific patches, shows that they are accommodating their users. Since it is trivial, it could have been carried by the distro maintainer.

That was a great PR move on part of the systemd developers: to flood the mail lists with the buzz words. Users have no idea what they mean - but they sure sound cool - so systemd must be cool too.

Really, trying to pass off systemd as a "fad" that Debian accepted because of "buzzwords" on a mailing list is outright pathetic; systemd is real improvement over SysVinit in every aspect, and the Debian CTTE choose it because of its technical merit. That the Debian developers agree with this, was demonstrated at the latest Debian GR.

Comment Re:Wait a minute... (Score 1, Interesting) 184

Thanks Peter! you are so kind!

Hey wait a minute! the scammers are also on slashdot!!

quick quick, close your wallet!

Well, I am right ain't I. You funnel the donated Devuan money into dyne org, and as CEO/Chairman of that small org with self elected people, with no public oversight of the money, you also pull money out of dyne org into your own pocket to "pay for taxes". Dress it all up as a non-profit org too.

Make Devuan a proper org that directly receive the donated money you are begging for all the time, and have a proper elected committee with public oversight over the donated money and what they are spend on, and then maybe the smell of scam will evaporate.

Comment Re:Forked the Debian? or the Debian? (Score 2, Insightful) 184

I was just quoting the (ex-)maintainer of the systemd, from his e-mails from the CTTE discussion.

Without source or citation. I think your representation of what was said is rather biased.

Debian feedback would be submitted to mainline - but if it is rejected, he wouldn't even carry a custom Debian patch for it, because he doesn't want to deviate from the mainline. And he, as the maintainer of the systemd, would not consider it a bug. As such somebody else would have to fix somewhere else.

If it isn't a bug, why patch it? Sure, some people have tried to drop some turd patches into systemd, eg. ripping out security features in order to support some obscure glibc variant. The right thing of course is to patch the glibc variant to support the proper security functions, not patching systemd.

No package maintainer wants to support non-trivial, non-mainline patches without very good reasons. The whole point of open source software, that as many people as possible can share and enjoy improvements, so patches should go upstream as fast as possible. Maintaining non-trivial, non-upstream patches can also be a real problem when backporting security fixes, and may introduce patch specific bugs too.

If you are willing to grep through the 1K emails - you would definitely find that being repeated several time.

I have actually read most of them at the time, and I still think you are misrepresenting the systemd maintainers.

Here is a Debian specific patch that predates Debians adoption of systemd as default init-system:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/sy...

It's obviously not Debian specific.

It is very obviously a distro specific part of systemd: Debian was added to the list where Fedora and Arch were already present.

Huh? The main point is that systemd mainline accepts Debian (and distro) specific patches if it is unavoidable. Despite the many claims to the contrary, the systemd developers do care about feedback and have many different distro developers with commit access. If you got a good user case, chances are good that a distro specific patch will be accepted. And having the patch going into the upstream repo is much better than carrying it as a separate distro patch.

In short, Debian developers where taking part in creating systemd long before Debian discussed making systemd the default init system. So they knew what they where doing when selecting systemd over Upstart (the CLA was enough to discount it), and the latest GR have confirmed that the vast majority of Debian developers firmly backs systemd as the default init-system.

Comment Re:Forked the Debian? or the Debian? (Score 1) 184

.... The systemd devs and maintainers committed to literally to nothing, basically saying "if it is good for Fedora is should do the job for Debian too; no Debian specific patches are going to be accepted even into the Debian systemd package".

That is simply wrong. Please notice that several long time systemd developers with commit access to the systemd git tree, are in fact Debian Developers. So there is a lot of "Debianism's" in where files placed etc.

Sure, the main branch of systemd wants to have as few distro specific patches as possible, but they do accept them if there is no other solution.

Here is a Debian specific patch that predates Debians adoption of systemd as default init-system:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/sy...

Comment Re:Forked the Debian? or the Debian? (Score 1, Interesting) 184

The problem with Debian is that for whatever reason they ignored the power of linux, choice. At least in Debian 8, it is still trivial to make it use sysvinitrc instead of system. Why not let people choose, instead of forcing it upon new upgrades, and worse insult yet, make current systems upgrade to systemd by default?

Every choice has a cost and a consequences. In this case, supporting multiple init-systems dramatically increase the maintenance complexity. Every Debian Developer would need to run both a stable and unstable/testing version of both init systems, and some packages would have to be maintained in two different versions (talk about dependency hell).

But that isn't even the most problematic part; that is the fact that all non-systemd development have more or less collapsed the last couple of years; "ConsoleKit" bit-rotted for years, meaning DE developers couldn't justify developing against it, "SysVinit" is hopelessly understaffed (don't even have a build test) and haven't made a release for 5 years (RH/SUSE was the defacto maintainers), there is no development taking place on real alternatives to systemd's "udev" (the "eudev" is mainly a shadow fork by AFAIK, one person), "cgroups" development like "CGManager" will cease when systemd provides functionality to support LXC, and so on.

In short, there is a huge stack of development needed now and in the future in order to run a non-systemd Linux distro, and fewer and fewer developers to do the job.

When FreeBSD changes to a modern init-system (they will probably clone systemd), they won't support old legacy style init-scripts daemons permanently either. It is simply too much work with too little gain.

Comment Re:Wait a minute... (Score 1, Informative) 184

It covers a wide range of topics: the 4.5k€ of donations received so far, moving distro infrastructure from GitHub to GitLab, progress on LoginKit (which replaces systemd's logind), fraud accusations, logo discussions, and few more important points.

Was someone trying to sneak that one through in the middle of a dull-news sandwich?

The problem is that all money donated to Devuan doesn't go directly into Devuan, but into a rather dubious organization, with no public oversight and no accountability.
Here is a link to the org and their pre-Devuan Linux distro:
http://www.dynebolic.org/
Take a look around, and notice how a "donate" button never is far way from any project or web page.

The foundation has a chairman called Denis Roio, AKA "Jaromil", and according to themselves, the foundation "helps them pay taxes", in other words, they pay themselves from the org whatever they like.

There is a certain smell of "scam" around the Devuan project, not so much its contributors as a whole, but about the small group of shady figures centered around the "dyne org".

Comment Microsoft Marketing (Score 3, Informative) 71

how can you possibly not link to an a/v demo or review of this, in the thread OR in the review???

So they could sneak in a subtle advertisement for Surface tablets. The reviewer does not seem to have been allowed to take his own photos or video, given that the photo credit is for Microsoft.

Also, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." The article states clearly that this did not work outside of conditions that were carefully controlled by Microsoft. On that note, the writer exclusively covers Microsoft news.

All in all, this should be treated as a press release, not a review.

Comment Wheel Group (Score 1) 118

Debian derived distros disable the password on the root account by default, and only use the wheel group. RedHat distros set a root password during install, but also require the creation of a non-root user; this user is added to the wheel group. What Linux systems have you been using that are not RedHat or Debian derived?

Comment Transgender Persons (Score 1) 465

Our culture has evolved over thousands of years. There is a reason things are the way they are, and you don't get to start throwing away well established cultural norms just for the sake of change.

You seem to have the idea that evolution represents a forward march of progress, but that it should have stopped thirty years ago (when you were last comfortable with it). These ideas seem to conflict with each other.

Because forums are for discussions and conversations. People can communicate ideas and get responses. Millennial's use of social media is solely about inflating their egos. They use things like Instagram and Twitter where they sprout their useless opinions, never once listening to anyone but themselves. Ever seen a group of Millennials at the mall? They're all on their damned phones, taking pictures and posting them to social media, barely interacting with each other. Older generations use Facebook to communicate, Millennials use it to keep everyone updated about their meaningless lives, never once listening to anyone else. It's all about them, their selfies, and generating "likes."

Every generation that has experienced new media forms has complained about them, and the new cultural norms that have resulted from their use. I don't know what you think you're adding to anyone's life by being upset about this.

This is not a new issue; this is not a Millenial invention.

Weird how this has never come up before in my life until Millennials started getting involved in politics. Try asking if a man should be allowed in the lady's room twenty years ago and no one would understand why the hell you'd even ask that question.

Human biology does not necessitate having different facilities for different genders' waste elimination. Almost all households don't bother with it. That they exist in public is purely a social phenomenon. We had separate facilities for blacks, too, at one point. There are biological differences between the sexes, but those don't necessarily correlate strongly to gender identity. Biology doesn't have the neat divide between these things that you imagine there is. One hopes that eventually humans will stop confusing pooping with having anything to do with either sex or gender. (It will still be polite to leave the seat down).

Myself, I have a measure of compassion for the poor bastard who has to make a Sophie's choice whenever they want to take a shit in public. I wish I could convey to you the terror and shame that this situation involves for differently gendered people.

You have to consider that there is no cure for "feeling like a woman". In all sincerity, it's wonderful that you've never felt like you had the wrong body. Having your brain tell you that your body is wrong in some way is a continual torment. Faced with the options of self-mutilation and a lifetime of social consequences, or a lifetime of body dysphoria, many people choose death.

It is easier and cheaper not to cater to the physically handicapped. Yet we build ramps and elevators, we put braille on signs, we allow service animals practically everywhere, and we accept that it is reasonable for these accommodations to be made -- that people with disabilities have a right to the same quality of life as anyone else. In this case the only accommodation being asked is being able to use a public bathroom in peace, although it would be great if we could work on not publicly humiliating these people as well. If our society is getting to the point of having to discuss transgender rights, that can only be a good thing.

There is one piece of good news for you: no one is seeking to abolish your freedom to be a bigot. What you're noticing is simply that most people are not sufficiently misanthropic to perpetuate your views.

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