Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

> There is evidence that Christ came back from the dead. If he did in fact return from death, then he is who he claimed to be.

But Christ *is* god, so he could have never really been dead.

> 1. Gay people are evil and should be put to death by stoning.

Same fate for people who work on the Sabbath, disobedient children, woman who lie about being virgins, adulterers, and so much more.

The bible strictly condones slavery - except for Israelites.

> Honestly it's hard to imagine more hate spitting out of modern westerners

No hate coming from the religious? Ever hear of 9/11?

How can any expression of ideas "take away" your religion?

The only way that could happen, I would think, is if such expression of ideas prompted to government to stop being secular. Which is exactly what a lot of religious people want.

Fashion slaves, with money to burn, buy all kinds of useless, overpriced, crap.

That has been proved over, and over again.

Even if there were not enough US workers, all you would have to do is create good jobs, and you could be 100% certain that US workers would train for those jobs. No shortage of US students competing for med school.

If Cargill does not hire correctly, or manage correctly, that should be their problem. It is not fair to blame their bad management on all US tech workers.

I have worked in IT for over 30 years. I can tell you that there are plenty of competent, and hard working, US techies.

2) India alone has 4X the US population, and China has 5X times the US population, and the US already has an unsustainable number of immigrants from Mexico. Clearly, we cannot let in everybody in the world who wants to live here.

3) US students, and workers, are going to eventually ask: "why bother studying tech, or working in tech, when there is no way to compete with 3rd world wages." When that happens, the US loses it's technology edge, and that will lead to an economic nose dive.

4) Other countries will learn our technologies, and use that knowledge to create their own companies. When they have the trained workers, and they have the technology, then who needs the USA? This is already happening in China.

5) The overwhelming number of immigrants are not great scientists, or engineers. In fact, a huge number of welfare recipients. During earlier immigration waves, we were not a welfare state. Now about 47% of the population get some kind of government assistance.

6) The techie visa workers, are usually no great scientists, or engineers either. They are just the grunts of the tech world. We already have the O-1 visa for the truly gifted.

I wish there was a better organization to fight against the visa worker scam, but I don't think there is.

NumbersUSA is about 90% dedicated to fighting illegal immigration from Mexico, and about 10% dedicated to fighting against the visa worker scam. But, they do more than any other organization that I am aware of.

In DC: money talks and BS walks. Techies need to organize, and raise enough money to lobbie congress. Like it, or not, that is how things get done in the USA.

> My God are Americans lazy. Show up at 8:45... leave at 4:15... hour and half lunch

Funny about the articles claiming that programmers are being forced to work 80 to 110 hours a week - and for no overtime pay. I guess all those articles are outright lies, right?

Funny that Sillie Vally execs got a law passed stating that tech workers - just tech workers - do not get OT pay ever. Why lobbie for such a law, when US developers are only working six hour days?

BTW: I have worked in IT for over 30 years, I have worked for over a dozen companies, as well as the federal government. I have never seen the type of situation that you describe. Never - not once.

Take a look at the history of technology over the last 150 years.

It is absolutely no contest what-so-ever. USA absolutely slams India, and easily holds it's own against anybody else.

Funny how such stupid, lazy, people can do that - especially in computer technology. When it comes to computer technology, practically every major innovation has come from the west, with the USA way out-innovating everybody else. Look at the major tech companies: Apple, Microsoft, Cisco, HP, IBM, Intel, and so on down the list, how many were started in India?

So-called "technology companies" in India are just staffing companies. Any actual technology they have, they bought.

I am not saying that people in other countries are not smart, or hard working. But mountains of evidence clearly show that Americans are no slouches either.

There are still good jobs for American tech workers, in America.

Just wait until we hit the next economic bump.

When wages really get depressed, Americans will stop studying for tech. Then US employers will point to the declining enrollment and scream that Americans are too stupid, and lazy, to study tech subject. The only answer will be to import more visa workers.

The more visa workers the US lets in, the more US workers will feel out of place in their own work environments. Then it will get easier to offshore tech jobs for even bigger savings. Then, due to technology transfer, foreign companies will take over - this is already happening in China.

If you think things are bad now, just wait for about ten years.
 

So why bother?