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Comment Re:Comcast tried to steal $50 from me (Score 1) 223

Fraud is an intentional tort. If they never intend to give the rebate for all eligible people, then it is fraud if they then do not actually do it (even if you don't complain). If not enough money is allocated up front, and if they run out of money to pay all the eligible rebates they receive, then it seems to me to be fraud (although IANAL)...

Well, the question comes down to what happens if every single person actually does comply with the terms of the rebate and requests it. It seems like either some party (either the company that offered the rebate, or the company that the rebate handling was outsourced to) will be forced to cough up the extra money to cover every rebate, or they will fail to pay out the rebates.

You seem to be assuming that the latter is the guaranteed result, but I don't see that it is. I'm not privy to the details of these contracts, but I would be amazed if they don't, as a general rule, spell out who is responsible for costs that exceed the expected cost of the rebate program.

Comment Re:Comcast tried to steal $50 from me (Score 1) 223

Outsourcing and incentivizing itself isn't fraudulent (just shady), but the reason that it's often fraudulent is that the allocated pool of money to the external marketing firm is never enough to cover the worst case, so they are effectively going into the promotion with the deliberate intent to defraud customers of the rebate and the original company doesn't indemnify the external company for worst-case shortfall (because they don't trust these shady rebate companies enough to think they won't just claim/pocket the money).

If the people who apply for the rebate get the promised rebate, then how could you possibly claim that anyone is being defrauded?

Comment Re:Comcast tried to steal $50 from me (Score 1) 223

Because as you say the companies are actively planning to make the advertised price/rebate not possible, or very complicated for the customer to get.

I didn't say that at all. Doing that would be fraud, and should be prosecuted under existing laws. But there are plenty of times when obtaining a rebate is straightforward, and you want to make those illegal as well.

For the customers to compare products, with such complicated pricing schemes is just not feasible; it would take days to evaluate.

Well, I'm assuming people who can look at an advertised price of $X ($Y before rebate) and make a comparison, which is how most rebate offers that I see are advertised. If it takes you days to do that comparison, you probably are not qualified to be handling money at all.

Comment Re:Comcast tried to steal $50 from me (Score 2) 223

can't just ban the blatant rip-off of rebate promotions?

If the company honors the rebate as promised, and provides the terms of the rebate up front, then it's not a rip-off. If they don't, well, then that's fraud -- there are already laws against it, although I wouldn't mind seeing more enforcement of those laws.

Why should the government prevent competent adults from entering into an agreement that includes a rebate? Sure, the companies are hoping that many will not claim it, but that's the customer's choice.

I don't like the hassle of rebates myself (when I compare prices, I don't take rebates into consideration), but I don't need the government making that decision for me.

Comment Re:The Internet Is The Way We All Do It. (Score 1) 320

These kids aren't cheating, they're doing it the current/modern way.

This is a data structures and algorithms course, not a "find code snippets using google" course. In a work environment, the purpose of writing a program is to solve some problem by any means necessary. In the environment of this course, the purpose is to learn how these things are implemented.

Comment Re:Money (Score 4, Insightful) 198

God forbid any of the African nations affected by this disease cough up any money.

Considering that the cost to the U.S. of this ebola outbreak is going to be in the billions of dollars, it makes a lot of sense to fund research into vaccines to reduce the cost to us later on, regardless of what other countries are doing.

Comment Re:So ... WTF is it? (Score 3, Insightful) 66

To be fair, editors have to take guesses at what is going to be common knowledge in the readership vs things that need to be explicitly stated. It is not always an easy thing to get right, and always erring on the side of explaining is its own problem.

It's too bad that nobody has invented a method where a link to a full explanation could be included within the summary itself. Maybe when people start using this new-fangled "world wide web" thing, we'll be able to do cool things like that.

Comment Re:Oh no! (Score 2) 216

Could you please inform the engineers that the North Sea is full of salt water? Armed with that piece of information that I'm sure they don't have, they can take that into consideration when designing this.

More likely they'll have to cancel the project. After all, if it was possible for modern technology to create machinery that works when submersed in salt water, I sure that somebody would have already done it.

Comment Re:Summary is misleading (Score 3, Informative) 468

It is misleading, although mostly because the "House Majority PAC" is misleadingly named. I'm not quite sure what they intend to accomplish with that name -- maybe they're trying to make it less obvious which party is benefiting from "outside money"? Their website says that it was formed in 2011, so it's never actually been aligned with the "house majority."

Comment Re:This is related (Score 1) 294

Let's review, shall we?

You obviously do think that there are circumstances where it is appropriate to impose restrictions on a person's liberty when there is some threshold of probability that they could infect others with a deadly disease.

Obviously, you are the one lying. I never said any such thing.

But then you say:

A person who is a danger to themselves and others may be restrained. Whether that's someone with advanced Ebola or waiving a gun around in a crowd, the answer is the same.

I don't know any way to reconcile those statements. They are fundamentally contradictory.

I keep saying you support quarantines because you keep supporting them. "I'm against quarantines, but I think they should be used" isn't a consistent point of view.

Repeated assertion does not make something true. I am capable of recognizing and assessing the arguments on both sides, and I intensely dislike a mode of debate that tries to marginalize or misrepresent the people on the other side.

Comment Re:This is related (Score 1) 294

I never lied. You are arguing with people who, for as much as you'll share about your reasons, want the same thing you do, but for different reasons. That I expose your stupidity doesn't make me a liar. Though I can see how it would make me unpopular with those I'm exposing the stupidity of.

You keep saying that I support quarantines. That is untrue, and you know it. That is the definition of a lie. If you don't like being called a liar, you should probably stop doing it.

You obviously do think that there are circumstances where it is appropriate to impose restrictions on a person's liberty when there is some threshold of probability that they could infect others with a deadly disease.

Obviously, you are the one lying. I never said any such thing. There is the assumption that FEMA/CDC/etc can step in in the case of a national emergency. I didn't follow the cases closely, but from my understanding, the concentration camps in WWII were never ruled "unconstitutional", even though apologies were offered for them. Since everyone else assumes it, I wasn't going to argue the color of the shoes of the government officials that would be involved. Seemed irrelevant.

So you believe that a quarantine is never appropriate, under any circumstances? All right; I'll believe you, although I got a different impression from these comments that you made that led me to believe that you thought that quarantining a person who was "actively sick" with Ebola would be reasonable.

Denying the right of the government to impose a quarantine under any circumstances is a consistent point of view, albeit one that is probably not going to get much support.

When you act like a reasonable person, then maybe that would be what this is about.

How about you address what I said, rather than making personal attacks? Do you deny the statement that "Reasonable people can disagree on what that threshold is, and what the restrictions should be?" Based on your last answer, maybe you do. But say so, rather than lashing out.

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