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Comment Re:First amendment only applies to our friends (Score 1) 824

and he donated to anti-minority groups

Which anti-minority group? For that matter... which minority? Virtually any group can be called 'a minority' compared to some others.

Do you believe in human rights, or are you a bigot?

That is a false choice. Different people have different views on what a human right is.

Many on the left say women should have unfettered access to abortion... are those who disagree bigots?

Many on the right think that individuals should have unfettered access to firearms... are those who disagree bigots?

If so... guess what that makes all of us?

Comment Re:First amendment only applies to our friends (Score 1) 824

Start with an ad hominem, then go to a non-sequitur . Wow.

It's ok if you are unwilling or unable to reply, though it's a shame you didn't even want to try to respond with anything more coherent than a bit of crying.

When your boss prohibits you from having a firearm in your own home, then you can cry about it.

So... the right to keep and bear arms only applies in the home? You may want to check with a number of courts who have said otherwise, repeatedly.

Again, I call 'chilling effect' for the banning of a legal object by my employer while on the job site... vs your beef of a future employer who may have acted in their own private capacity at an earlier time somehow disqualifying them for the job down the line and unrelated to the work.

Comment Re:pointless (Score 2) 184

I just can't see getting an Office365 subscription to use these applications.

While I don't think we'd get to see any #'s... I doubt that many will get an Office 365 subscription *just* to be able to use the iPad apps... instead being able to use the subscription on the iPad and a couple of desktop and laptops (up to 5 devices I think) is where the motivation to subscribe will comes in.

Comment Re:"Naturally aren't comparable"? (Score 1) 184

I would have thought "free for non-commercial use" would have worked well enough

So you want to rely on a DRM system which decides if you are using it for commercial purposes? Or just the honesty of users?

Neither sound like a good options when dealing with a product that is known for making good sums of money.

Comment Re:First amendment only applies to our friends (Score 2) 824

Assuming these people are still doing their jobs, asking the CEO to step down is not insubordination.

Depends on what the context of their job is.

While my job involves writing specs & code and a whole litany of other 'deliverables'... I am also a representative of the company both while on and off the clock, and am expected (and instructed) to act accordingly.

Advocating against the legitimate leadership of the organization, be it military or corporate is not generally a good way to represent the larger unit... especially when the folks at the top have disciplinary options that were part of the agreement when joining.

Comment Re:First amendment only applies to our friends (Score 0) 824

It could be argued

It could also be argued that you are a moron based on what you said... allow me to demonstrate.

that his public support for stripping rights from homosexuals

Which 'right' did he seek to 'strip' from homosexuals? The right to marry? Last I checked they already had that right... the same one that heterosexuals did.

The issue with the Prop 8 case was that the court overturned a previous prohibition (pre 'rights')... then some municipalities unilaterally granted the 'right' (see San Francisco for one).

Given that those marriages granted during the window when San Francisco (and other areas) were doing their own thing were grandfathered in under Prop 8... is one really 'stripped' of 'rights' that were gained illegitimately... even if you agree with the end result?

might have a chilling effect on any gay employees.

My employer prohibits me from even having an unloaded firearm in my car when it is parked on company property... do I not get to cry of chilling effects and receive similar support?

Comment Re:The double standard at work (Score 3, Insightful) 824

Wrong. It was overturned because Prop. 8 was clearly unconstitutional. Study civil rights law as I have and you'll understand.

Wrong... in so many ways.

If you actually read the ruling of Judge Vaughn Walker you'd realize that he was inventing much of his ruling out of whole cloth... in the end the reason Prop 8 was struck down actually has less to do with 'civil rights law' as you claim and more to do with standing.

Vaughn Walker struck down P8 yes, on flimsy grounds. The state of California then opted not to appeal... effectively guaranteeing it remained overturned as they were the only entity which could have defended it.

While it's true that there was an effort by individuals & groups to defend it on behalf of the voters who had passed it, they ultimately lost because they did not have standing in the case.

Like the outcome all you want, but fear the process.

Comment Re:It wasn't just private opinion. (Score 3, Insightful) 824

Ug... posted the wrong reply above... instead I meant to ask/say...

Bigger question... where is the campaign to have President Obama step down as he was against same sex marriage when he ran for national office back in 2008 (and previously)... and only more recently 'evolved' on the issue.

Shouldn't a (former?) bigot like him be compelled to resign for his previous sins?

Comment Re:The double standard at work (Score 1) 824

Ug... posted my reply to the wrong comment... now again to the right place...

The reason why the attacks are unidirectional is because gay marriage

I wasn't talking just about same sex marriage... why are you?

or the larger issue of gay rights

At last check... gay individuals had the same rights as straight ones... and while sometimes those rights may not line up with preferences (ie right to marry someone of the opposite sex where desire is to marry someone of the same sex), the right remains the same regardless... you purposely try to pain the issue as something more than its not.

is a human rights issue.

Again... you prove my point of intolerance from the left... and that one need only call something a 'human rights' or 'civil rights' issue until you make enough people agree through education & politics... or fear mongering and blacklisting.

Guess which you are supporting?

All you need to do is look back across history to figure out if the side that protects, or the side that attacks, human rights is the "right" side.

History tends to be written by the victors... yet up until just two years ago, the President of the United States claimed to be against same-sex marriage... does that mean up until then he should have been viewed as a homophobic and anti-gay bigot? No? Interesting the continued double standard... or do you think history will record it that way?

2 men or 2 women getting married has the same impact on your life as a black man marrying a white woman.

You assume I care about either, your point?

There is no reason to not allow that.

Again... do you have a point? It's been clear for some time which way the tide was going... yet the issue is less today about the 'right' to marry someone of the same sex, but of the compulsion to force others to recognize it... and no, I don't mean at the court house, but of even a florist or baker being able to say they do not agree with the union and cannot provide services for such an event.

The only justification people have for not supporting gay rights is because of their own prejudice.

Yet the prejudices of those who see prejudices everywhere are emboldened to lash out against anyone they deem as not being sufficiently supportive of the current cause celeb... as we see in this case here.

Intolerance of perceived intolerance is still bigotry... and if anything, those who are calling for the stepping down of Eich are proving the (lack) of quality of their characters as they cannot handle the idea of working for someone who may have once disagreed with them.

Comment Re:It wasn't just private opinion. (Score 3, Insightful) 824

The reason why the attacks are unidirectional is because gay marriage

I wasn't talking just about same sex marriage... why are you?

or the larger issue of gay rights

At last check... gay individuals had the same rights as straight ones... and while sometimes those rights may not line up with preferences (ie right to marry someone of the opposite sex where desire is to marry someone of the same sex), the right remains the same regardless... you purposely try to pain the issue as something more than its not.

is a human rights issue.

Again... you prove my point of intolerance from the left... and that one need only call something a 'human rights' or 'civil rights' issue until you make enough people agree through education & politics... or fear mongering and blacklisting.

Guess which you are supporting?

All you need to do is look back across history to figure out if the side that protects, or the side that attacks, human rights is the "right" side.

History tends to be written by the victors... yet up until just two years ago, the President of the United States claimed to be against same-sex marriage... does that mean up until then he should have been viewed as a homophobic and anti-gay bigot? No? Interesting the continued double standard... or do you think history will record it that way?

2 men or 2 women getting married has the same impact on your life as a black man marrying a white woman.

You assume I care about either, your point?

There is no reason to not allow that.

Again... do you have a point? It's been clear for some time which way the tide was going... yet the issue is less today about the 'right' to marry someone of the same sex, but of the compulsion to force others to recognize it... and no, I don't mean at the court house, but of even a florist or baker being able to say they do not agree with the union and cannot provide services for such an event.

The only justification people have for not supporting gay rights is because of their own prejudice.

Yet the prejudices of those who see prejudices everywhere are emboldened to lash out against anyone they deem as not being sufficiently supportive of the current cause celeb... as we see in this case here.

Intolerance of perceived intolerance is still bigotry... and if anything, those who are calling for the stepping down of Eich are proving the (lack) of quality of their characters as they cannot handle the idea of working for someone who may have once disagreed with them.

Comment Re:No (Score 3, Insightful) 824

Correct, remember the other side though.

While employment law prohibits (not prevents) discriminatory hiring/firing practices... some of these employees have likely crossed a line outside of any kind of protection... in that they are effectively being insubordinate of the current management and in most cases is a fire-able offense.

Just like in a civil war, if you are unable to stay neutral, best choose your side carefully, because if you back the wrong side you will probably be in a world of pain when it's all done.

Comment Re:First amendment only applies to our friends (Score 1) 824

The employees disagree with his position and are asking him to step down. It is their right to do so.

They are also taking a great risk in doing so.

In some companies, what these employees are doing would be considered insubordination and could easily get them fired for cause... if Eich doesn't do so, he will demonstrate rather well that he is the bigger person.

Comment Re:First amendment only applies to our friends (Score -1, Offtopic) 824

Remember, sometime it'll be our turn to have an unpopular opinion.

Unlikely... in such a case you simply need to call your 'unpopular opinion' a 'civil rights issue', repeat ad nauseam until you get your way.

Don't forget, just this week we had a case before the Supreme Court over the question over whether the government has the authority to compel private individuals to violate their religious beliefs and directly pay for medications which in their views (rightly or wrongly) cause abortions.

Somehow... birth control (which was already widely available prior to Obamacare) is now a civil right to receive for free and from your employer.

Comment The double standard at work (Score 5, Insightful) 824

Prop 8 has been a contentious issue for many, and is now largely resolved... yet those who ultimately won are still not happy.

It is interesting to see how those who supported it (even through a simple donation) are now targets for personal and professional attacks such as this... yet this kind of intolerance for the views of other peoples opinions & donations, does seem to be rather unidirectional, but then that is the typical 'tolerance' that the left in this country believes in.

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