> Do you honestly think, if Linux was superior to Windows in all the right ways, it would have achieved something better than single digits in terms of desktop usage?

Mostly it's about apps. Windows hugely wins on apps. Since windows has the huge majority of market share, everybody writes apps for windows. Nobody runs a PC just to run the OS.

> The issue of use goes further ahead than just clicking an icon. What if you try to go to a web site with a particular Flash widget you want to use, but it fails to work because it requires at least Flash 13 and the main Linux Flash plugin was abandoned at Flash 11? Yes, this is a problem at times that does occur. Maybe not for you, but it has for me and my wife.
> Or what about if you can't print in borderless mode because the people who made the printer drivers for your printer in Linux didn't add a GUI option for it?

Minor annoyance. Windows has tons of them.

> In Windows 8 the desktop is still there, the desktop conventions are still there.

Windows 8 is completely different, and it sucks. That is not just my opinion. Sales have been in the toilet, even with MS trying to force it on everybody.

> You can find Windows admins a dime a dozen, and with that selection on offer it's easy to pick the good ones as well. I don't know ANYONE who uses Linux as a primary desktop operating system, much less admins available.

Sorry about your ignorance. I used Linux desktop at my last job - a contract job at IBM. I know lots of people who use Linux desktop.

> Why must we keep explaining this? Can't you just accept Linux, on the desktop, has deficiencies?

And Windows doesn't? You MS shills just keep parroting the same crap you did ten years ago. "Linux is sooooo hard to use" etc. Ten years ago, maybe you had something of a point. Lots has changed since then. Desktop Linux has become much better, and windows has gotten much worse.

> Not all of those are of its doing, but rather Microsoft's dominance, but they do add up to make it less desirable than Windows for most people regardless. Just accept this as a fact of life and fucking MOVE ON already.

WTF are you posting about? I was asking what is hard to use about Linux. In Linux you launch your apps, and close your apps, in very much the same way as has been traditionally done in Windows, or MacOS. You MS shills constantly blather on about Linux being so difficult, as you have to be a software engineer to use Linux. But you cannot really defend your silly memes.

> I'd argue that using windows is easier for most people than it is using Linux.

Why? When I want to launch a browser, I click the browser icon. What is so difficult? When I want to print, I can clink the printer icon. And so on. I would say it is *much* easier to go from Win7 to Gnome2, than from Win7 to Win8. People keep posting about Linux being difficult to use. Why? What is so difficult about it?

> Not to mention, they would need to retrain all their personal to use linux

You mean like having to retrain people to use Win8? Win8 is radically different than previous versions of Windows. How about retraining people to that "ribbon" crap in ms-office. Why is it: if somebody does not want to learn the new MS whatever, that person is lazy and stupid. But, nobody should suffer the burden of learning Linux?

> make their own variant for security purpose

What?

> and then actually Support that version of linux. In the end, that would cost too much.

What makes you think so? What makes you think supporting Linux would cost more than supporting Windows?

Yep, and the less accountable the government is to it's citizens, the more that same government feels free to record everything the citizens do.

Okay for governments to record citizens, not okay for citizens to record government. Seems like it should be the other way around.

Then why so camera shy?

Seems to me: the more government wants to spy on it's citizens, the less the government will tolerate having citizens watching the government. It is supposed to be the other way around. Our government is supposed to be accountable to us.

I wonder: Would the Ferguson incident have happened if the police knew they were on camera? What about Rodney King? Or Mark Duggan (in UK)?

Of course Micheal Brown was on camera, when police were not around. That was published everywhere. But nobody would dare photograph the police, and the police know it.

IMO: if something is happening out in the open, and you are not actually in somebody's way, then you should be able to record it.

Like Sweden, Norway is well on it's way to becoming a Muslim country. If you are not comfortable with Sharia law, might want to stay away from: Norway, Sweden, and the UK.

History of unfair treatment of African Americans by police.

Recently history: Ferguson, Rodney King, Mark Duggan, Trayvon Martin.

I don't really know. It may be the same things happen to other races, but there is less of a media event made from it.

Police should be able to do whatever they damn well please, with no accountability. Right?

> Linux, plain and simple, is not user friendly.

Ten years ago, Linux was not as user friendly as Windows. Today, it is very much the other way around.

Updates in Linux are *much* easier than Windows. No waiting to shut down the PC, now waiting to get started. It's all in the background, far more friendly.

Gnome2 is far more like classic windows than that horrifying Windows 8.x crap.

LibreOffice is more like classic ms-office than that ribbon crap that ms uses.

Linux installs go far faster, and more easily, than Windows. And you can re-install whenever you like.

Linux boots faster, and is far less susceptible to malware.

Are you referring to Windows 8.x?

I prefer Linux as a desktop. Especially since Vista came out. XP was okay, it has been all downhill for Windows ever since. While Windows keeps getting worse, Linux keeps getting better.

Linux boots faster, is far less susceptible to malware, has a much better interface (except for Gnome3). I can re-install Linux any time I want, with no headaches about registration. I can use my old printers and scanners with a 64bit system. Linux uses less system resources than any version of Windows since XP. My Win7 laptop keeps getting bogged down, no malware, but for some reasons it gets slower after a time, that does not happen with Linux. Linux updates in the background, without affecting performance, Windows will not start, or stop, when I want it to, due to excessive updating all the time.

All JMHO, or course, but I think Linux is better desktop than Windows - by a mile.

I was actually easier that mucking with AV software. At least my PC ran fast for a while.

Sadly, MS has made that too difficult these days.

  I just came across this article. I wonder if there is anything to it?

> "Inflation-adjusted median income has dropped over the last five years, more people are leaving the workforce than joining it, the bulk of new job gains are part-time and millions are woefully under-employed."

http://seekingalpha.com/article/2314525-value-versus-momentum-what-should-you-buy-for-your-etf-portfolio