I second this post... there's nothing shameful to open the repo read only.

This habit of closing development behind doors has only been made fashionable by Google with Android and I don't particularly like it (just to make clear what axe I'm grinding in this forum today)

But anyway, good luck...

What does having a public CVS got to do with "release early, release often"? Non sequitur, example: I can't recollect the last time this - admittedly visionary and at the time massively cool project - released: http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=contribute&l=en

You see, the whole point is whether you're wearing the OS badge for marketing reasons - to draw developer or user attention - or whether you really want to grow and thrive within a busy and healthy community. That's the only point really... you post your code online whatever the state (it was deemed good for binary release anyway wasn't it) because if there's a better way you'd better let it be seen by those that would know.

If you're afraid you can't confront turf wars and big egos with pure leadership and vision, you might as well keep it closed to begin with: the community is not a free ride on the Amazon Turk

Yeah that's right, true... you stand correct!

Not even the GPL requires to maintain a VCS, it's just what you _normally_ do if and when you want to participate or run an Open Source community - besides, there's so many free infrastructure for this out there, there's no real excuse.

If you close the doors, maybe dump a tarball in an obscure FTP subfolder you're surely abiding to the word, but not the spirit. You can't give the finger to the community while calling yourself Open Source for marketing purposes. Although it's kind of fashionable these days...

you don't "release the source code"... what you normally do is to maintain a certain kind of website, one that most often has an URL such as http://svn.growl.info then you don't spend a single extra-minute to "release the source", you just use something called a tag. Here's the linky in case you can't google for it: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.5/svn.branchmerge.tags.html

That's when you're talking about projects that are truly open source and don't call themselves that, just for marketing...

There's probably "professional" protesters there, and so what? We get massive daily doses of ultra-right propaganda blasting off from corporate media, a little dose of homegrown sedition won't hurt won't it... ... besides, except for the sometimes colorful outfits of the claques following this new trend, it's a good thing to go back to talking and discussing these matters among laymen. Until now we just sat paniked and shocked as the "markets" burnt through a couple generation's futures while the real "professionals" hoped to convince us that there wasn't anything to do except take the loss and suck it up... ... erhm, I've been very cautious with my investments, debts and career: I don't se why I should give up my future to pay for some creep's compulsive gambling syndrome ;)

I've been reading so many of these patently absurd patent stories, that adsense thinks I'm a troll myself! I wish I had a screen cap tool installed on this fondleslab but I got offered (oh, the audacity!) an ad to a Kentucky troll harvesting sleaze gang: "we provide the money to make the court system work for you"... What fuckers...

I'm not pasting the link but I'm tempted to read all about it, I'm really curious how these twisted greedy shmucks think...

A good and fairly balanced exposition of the issue and of the context around it. +1

Oh my eyes hurt every time I see an IBM based corporate portal ;)

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Nope, you're uninformed: 2 worker bodies were found inside the wreckage (probably killed in the Tsunami).

and please stop tagging anyone that is not rabidly pro-nuclear as a total tool and idiot; or a pinko communist for that matter...

With all the bashing and anti-fanboi talk against Apple - to which I agree to a certain extent, although I've been a happy Apple customer for the last 7-8 years - it kind of annoys me that other projects - Open Source in particular - keep copying a great deal of what comes out of Cupertino.

- KDE 4, IMHO lifts off quite some
- Android, well... not much to say here, but basically an iOS ripoff
- and now Gnome 3... these "iAds" that are just like the cupertinian, with a nerdy checkers shirt twist.

Come on guys, I hope Gnome 3 itself is not like: an OSX with a nerdy not-quite-mainstream UI design.

Oh, this is not a troll, BTW... just a gentle nudge ;) thanks for the effort folkz!

... on TPB business goes on as usual.

Har, har, har

It may sound hypocritical but - while I've never been a militant environmentalist - I do frown on planned obsolescence and piss poor cheap gadgets with infinitesimal commercial value (landfill fodder, basically).

Pet peeve No. 1: If everyone runs an AC unit to stay cool/warm we should revise building codes to make homes more energy efficient. Build them with brick &mortar and air insulated walls instead of wooden planks and drywall. How many nuke plants are running just to cool off glorified tree houses? How efficiency is a modern skyscraper? Can we increase that?

Pet peeve No. 2: How energy efficient is spawl+commute? Why do we need to disperse to the countryside only to return to cities for work and trade; coercing ourselves into long queues of semi-idle fossil fuel combustion engines in the process.

Pet peeve No. 3: Why are our gadgets designed to loose practically all their value shortly after warranty? Why isn't the market including the hidden cost of anticipated disposal? Why is it cheaper for people to throw away and buy new items rather than repair them? CRTs used to last 10 years and now we're changing LCDs like die-hard gamers upgrade their rig!

I think developed countries have gone way too far in resource usage - particularly as far as efficiency is concerned. It would be very responsible and convenient to help developing economies not to literally follow our own footsteps. It's not a matter of selfishness either: they can develop to be as materially satisfied as we currently are, without all the waste.

Besides, Nuclear isn't enough to satisfy demand and it will only outlast fossil by a couple decades anyway...

I sense a troll bait but I'll bite...

My side is not "winning": I have no side, I really wish nuclear energy really was more economical to setup, maintain and decommission than other current sources. Unfortunately it doesn't seem so: it's an expensive, dangerous technology with 2 major problems:

1. there's no long term solution for waste disposal
2. it is never safe enough to operate because when it starts to fail it's extremely difficult - if not impossible - to adequately intervene and prevent further damage.

I'm an engineer... a techie nerd myself; but I'd rather optimize energy conservation than keep lighting matches we still don't know how to put out.