Comment Re:"forced labor" (Score 1) 183
Mostly cause you have to feed and shelter slaves. It's simply cheaper to pay people to work for you. If you need proof, try to feed&shelter your family on a slave-level job today.
Mostly cause you have to feed and shelter slaves. It's simply cheaper to pay people to work for you. If you need proof, try to feed&shelter your family on a slave-level job today.
Religion, Ideology... a rose by a different name...
Reading Genesis (the book, not the band) alone is sufficient proof thereof.
Property ownership starts with self ownership. To earn money one has to spend his own time and effort, one has to use his own health and life, the time not spent enjoying but working. Property is thus extension of our own bodies and time given to us to spend on this planet.
To deny people ownership of the fruits of their labour is to deny people self ownership and it is disgusting. Noone should be born into slavery.
Your hands and your head and legs and the rest of it belongs to you. The collective does not own you and it cannot own what you produce. You can trade with others for what they produce or give it away, but that is your choice, your life. Your body your choice, yes?
Well, not according to you. You would steal from those who produce but how is it different from taking their body away? Taking 1 of every 2 chairs away from a chair maker is somehow different from taking away 50% of his life on the planet? It is not. That 50% of life is gone from him and nobody can fix that.
Your ideology is also insane in another regard. If somebody can produce chairs and another person cannot you want to take away from the one who can. What if there are people with no eyes? Let us then make it 'fare' for them and take everybody's eyes out. Some people are missing limbs, lets hack everybody's arms and legs off. There were people who died...... let us just murder everybody to make it fair for those who are dead but also for all of those who never lived at all.
Your ideas are horrendous if someone takes 1 minute to examine them, they lead to slavery and murder while providing superficial justification for the feeble minded.
Nobody is stealing your money - you're paying taxes.
- wrong, income taxes are legalised theft of life, creativity, time on this planet. It is slavery imposed by the violence of the collective on behalf of those, who perceive it to be to their advantage, whether it is so or not and against those, who are in a minority. This is how income taxes started in USA in the first place, top 2% of people were forced to be paid up to 7% of their income in taxes so that the vast majority wouldn't have to pay alcohol and some import taxes anymore (of-course the result is that everybody pays insane amounts of taxes, both on income side and on consumption).
The rest of us will recognize your right to retain the rest of your property if you recognize your responsibility to help care for the indigent
- wrong, nobody has any responsibilities towards anybody unless they are your children, then you have responsibility to them.
If you don't do your part, then why should I recognize that you have any right to own property at all?
- because it is in your best interest to recognise that if I cannot own property, then neither can you.
That's what society used to be: very few people owned any property, everybody belonged to the select few, who had the so called 'birth right' to it. You couldn't earn property, you could only be born into it or be given it by somebody who was born into it.
Meritocracy is a much more fair system to everybody, except for those, who lost that birth right of-course.
But, call it theft if you like. It really doesn't change the fact that you have no choice but to comply.
- wrong. I do not comply, I use the 5 flag strategy to ensure that something like you has a very limited access to my property.
I imagine that you'd be a little less lofty in your views if you had one of those irresponsible parents. Heck, some kids don't have any parents/family at all.
- irrelevant.
The fact is that all the property/etc you've worked so hard to obtain is only yours as the result of you having been born to parents who raised you well, and who gave you genes that allow you to support yourself.
- parents, fine. That is none of anybody's business.
What you are born with physically is of nobody's business.
Absent either of those, and especially absent the latter, you'd be as well-off as an ape that shares 98% of your genetics.
- I am yet to see an ape that is forced to pay income taxes.
As a result, I certainly have no moral issues with requiring anybody with the ability to take care of themselves to spend some of their effort taking care of others, using force if they do not wish to do so.
- irrelevant what you have or have no moral issues with. I already know what your 'morality' is. Socialist/Marxis morality is violence and theft, nothing else. I have no qualms and no doubts about your level of 'morality' and thus I do what I can to avoid such as yourself.
Because ISIS doesn't give half a shit more about the Koran than the average politician over here does about the Bible. It's a tool to keep them in power and keep the sheep following them.
Why do you think people in the Middle East would be different from people in other parts of the world?
Isis is violating a fair lot of Islam rules. Not just now.
Just like so many radical groups they use religion as a tool to justify their actions. It's hardly a new idea.
Because when people learn critical thinking skills, they automatically dismiss ignorant hate-centered dogmas.
Any religion is afraid of science.
Religion is about faith.
Science is about doubt.
It's fairly easy to see why one is anathema of the other.
I can well see Muhammad and Jesus looking down on the whole mess and going "Dude, if I had known what they turn it into..." "Yeah, yeah, me neither".
About 3000/1000.
And some shrapnel.
Oh I'm fairly sure, if they thought they'd get away with it they'd cram the crap down your throat with fire and brimstone. It's not like the history of religion has been too peaceful.
Quite the opposite, I'd expect them to turn green with envy.
The cynic in me would say that's the real reason they hate the Islamist fundies: Envy.
Yeah, but for a different imaginary friend. For some odd reason that's important for them.
So
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