exactly.

Or at least enough to know when to stop jumping.

from the OP

and your response

is basically the same thing :)

It depends on your net usage. Which might be higher by generating as much as you can....or by reducing how much you need to draw by doing your generation during your likely highest draw period in the afternoon/evening depending on season.

That's not quite how it works. The problem is peak generation is expensive so adding a lot of capacity at times when it's not needed doesn't help the fact that you still need to generate it later during said peak.

Now, if you could store the solar power generated at noon and use that later, then you are truly reducing the peak. Using the fossil fuel 'saved' when you generated solar power at noon, to power the peak - has no effect on the peak.

This is the biggest issue facing renewable sources - their intermittent nature. Once we have grid scale power storage ability renewable will vastly outshine fossil fuels in cost and impact. Hydro is the first example of this, but only for localized scales. There's a reason Hoover provides power a big chunk of the southwest's power. It can store the potential energy of water at a height for later use. Hydro can't be expanded much beyond it's current footprint though...and obviously has it's own drawbacks like fish kill/migration blocking.

wow, so sure of yourself you run away at one of the most common internet grammar mistakes?

You're paper is based on the same data. The debunking clearly shows the why what you're saying isn't accurate.

That CO2 and NO radiate heat doesn't make them 'cooling' agents in the way you're trying to imply. It means that they prevent the passage of heat energy, on the outside they radiate heat into space when they are hit by a solar flare. SOME energy does get through and the agents now keep that energy locked up longer because they restrict escaping heat.

ANYTHING hit by a solar flare is going to heat up and then start radiating heat away from itself. CO2 and NO block much of the Suns energy, we'd fry if we had all the energy coming in. That again doesn't make them 'cooling' agents. They are insulators keeping heat on whatever side of the border it currently is. If you pile more blankets on your bed, you get warmer.

That's what we're doing with CO2 in the atmosphere.

Ignoring that while temp and CO2 swings are normal, the SPEED at which they are happening right now is unprecedented.

Actually, that was debunked last year...from someone not exactly an AGW proponent either...

Oxygen is lethal in certain concentrations, you know that right?

CO2 is a proven heat trapper, you acknowledge this yes?

By putting more of it into the atmosphere than we take out, the system is changing to have more heat trapping gases in it.

Now perhaps the system can continue to function as it has for recent history (less than 10,000 years) while having millions of years worth of CO2 added to it in just under 200 years, but that would be a pretty brazen thing to assume wouldn't it?

CO2 is not the largest driver of warming. Nobody literate in the science claims it to be. The largest driver as I'm sure you know is water vapor. CO2 is the focus of climate change because it is the single biggest change occurring. We ARE dumping millions of tons more of it in to the air than is being removed.

What drives water vapor concentrations in the air? Ambient temperature.


This is called a feedback loop. The logic is quite simple. Is logic alone enough? Of course not, but studies have shown temperatures rising pretty significantly and quickly during the last 200 years. Are there anomalies like the last 10-15 years? Sure, but after 2 centuries of rapid and increasing warming, assuming that any deviation from that upward rise means it is definitely not anything serious and is going to stop is one heck of a conclusion. One not supported by any evidence.

Renewables are cheaper than fossil fuels*
* when you don't take into account 24/7 requirements.

Renewables are cheaper than fossil fuels*
*When you include the pollution costs of fossil fuels.

i.e. until fossil fuels have to pay for the cleanup of the CO2 they are releasing it's simply not a fair comparison for renewable sources.

Greetings! You must be new here :)

The world is complex. All those anti-terror laws passed in the US? Mostly being used against non-terrorist criminals.

If they can use all powerful tools expressly against what the tools were approved for use against, then future wielders of said tools have carte blanche ability to decide that what you did yesterday is now a threat to the state.

The US *currently* has 30 states of emergency in effect linky. One still in effect from the 70s!

Freedom also means freedom from gov't intrusion, which is also important for that Safety/Security thing you're concerned about. In the name of Safety/Security the gov't is trying to get backdoors built into all encryption protocols. That decidedly makes you LESS safe and secure.

Funny, ice levels are at all time lows...

Having new ice form every year doesn't make a difference if it all melts every year - because when it's melted the ocean is absorbing 10x more heat contributing to the warming. Not all ice is equal. Having 2x as much ice only in the winter isn't the same as having 1x all year long.

Great way to help your kids and grandkids...