> Then for f**ks sake, apt-get install something_else and stop bitching.

It is not as easy as that. Systemd is taking over everything.

http://giphy.com/gifs/hungry-systemd-5xtDarAgrjoOrBxSVYk

That is like saying "don't like OOXML use something else."

The dominate players have a lot of influence. Red Hat is connecting everything to systemd. Why is udev now part of systemd? Why does Gnome3 require systemd?

What is going to be next? Once Debian goes systemd, Red Hat will have much more control over everything in Linux.

Windows works, use that. Leave real UNIX/Linux people alone.

> Systemd? Couldn't care less.

Then why use Linux? If you don't mind vendor lock-in, and letting a big corporation make your decisions for you, then use a commercial OS. Microsoft does proprietary better than Red Hat.

I think all the systemd advocates should do the same. Either OSX, or Windows.

If you want proprietary, go proprietary. Let a big corporation make your computer decisions for you - it's not worth the bother. Screw log files and the other crap, let the sysadmins deal with that.

If you hate POSIX, and the UNIX philosophy, then please go away, and leave us real UNIX/Linux people alone.

I am also trying FreeBSD. Sadly, the hardware support seems to leave something to be desired.

The ports system is amazing. Easier to install Linux software on FreeBSD, than on Slackware, from my experience.

FreeBSD is a fast, stable, coherent system. I like the "techie" feel. I don't mind editing a few config files.

> All the criticism of systemd is not strictly from a luddite perspective.

Bullshit. "Insightful" my ass.

At least FreeBSD does not puke over POSIX, or the UNIX philosophy.

At least FreeBSD is not a hostile take-over by a $10 billion corporation trying to enforce vendor lock-in.

> "There is and was no need for systemd." - if there was no need, it wouldn't exist or if it existed and wasn't needed, it wouldn't be implemented.

Bullshit. Why was OOXML created? Why did LibreOffice adopt it?

Nobody needed OOXML, it's all about vendor lock-in. LibreOffice does not support OOXML because they love it.

You want to know why Systemd is so widely accepted? Read this:

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From "SystemD Abomination"
Subject Vested interest in control. RedHat and SystemD
Date Mon, 17 Nov 2014 04:40:08 +0100

  by beaverdownunder:

It should be obvious to anyone that RedHat has a vested interest in making the vast majority of Linux distributions dependent on technology it controls. Linux is its bread-and-butter.

It appears RedHat has realised that, through systemd, it can readily provide preferential support for its own projects, and place roadblocks up for projects it does not control, thus extending its influence broadly and quickly. By using tenuous dependencies amongst its own projects it can speed adoption even faster.

Once it has significant influence, and the maintainers of competing projects have drifted away either out of frustration or because they are starved of oxygen, RedHat knows that they can effectively take Linux closed-source by restricting access to documentation and fighting changes that are not in their own best interests.

At this point, they can market themselves as the only rational choice for corporate Linux support -- and this would be perfectly reasonable because they would have effective control of the ecosystem.

Linux (as in a full OS implementation) is an extremely complex beast and you can't just "fork it" and start your own 'distro' from scratch anymore -- you would have to leverage a small army to do it, then keep that army to maintain it. It's just not practical.

At the same time, Linux has matured to the point of attaining some measure of corporate credibility, and from RedHat's point of view, it no longer needs its 'open source' roots to remain viable. RedHat also, understandably, fears potential competition.

Through systemd and subsequent takeovers of other ecosystem components, RedHat can leverage its own position while stifling potential competition -- this is a best-case scenario for any corporation. It will have an advantage in the marketplace, potential customers will recognise that advantage, and buy its products and support contracts.

I hope you can understand why many see this as an extremely compelling case. Arguing that RedHat has 'ethics' and would 'never do such a thing' is immature and silly -- RedHat is a corporation, it exists to profit from its opportunities, just like any other company. To attempt to argue that it would not do so is contrary to what we can assume is its default state.

It's no 'conspiracy theory' to assume that a corporation will behave like a corporation; arguing that it is just makes one look like a naive child. systemd is one large step toward RedHat gaining the ability to reap what it has sewn -- for its benefit and not necessarily ours.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/11/16/301

> While it all sounds nice, you do realize 99.99% of the population just sort of wants their computer to work. We don't strictly care too much about your love/despise of some piece of software you didn't pay a dime for, didn't invest any time in writing, and then whine about being used/write love stories to.

Fair point so far.

> This sort of behaviour is exactly why projects like a Linux distro, or god forbid GNU/Hurd, never make it to mainstream software.

WTF? No it isn't it. That does not even begin to make sense.

> I've said this before, and I'll say it again. If you want the Linux eco-system to be accepted start by getting rid of Stallman,

Why? How does Stallman's existance hurt anything?

> write some damned drivers, make an easy to use system that doesn't require 5 hours of Googling on how to get a laptop soundcard to work. If you invested half the energy you folks use for whining about systemd into actually making an alternative available you might actually get something done.

WTF? I don't spend 5 hours of googling to get a laptop soundcard to work, and I have installed Linux countless times. As for the advice to "write some damned drivers" yeah, right, every PC user knows how to do that, right?

> If you invested half the energy you folks use for whining about systemd into actually making an alternative available you might actually get something done.

Why should anybody have to? Debian 7 was great, fast and stable. Why is this systemd crap being pushed on us? Why puke all over a great system like that?

Love the parroting of corporate propaganda, right out of Microsoft's playbook: "anybody who doesn't like vista/win8/ribbon/ooxml is just an old fuddy-duddy luddite, all the cool kids love our latest super-cool technology."

> As far as this "UNIX Philosphy", fuck that shit.

If you hate it so much, use ms-windows. I mean it. If you want a proprietary system that controls everything with one big super-complex blob, then use ms-windows and be happy, and leave everything UNIX-like alone.

BTW: the UNIX philosophy is not just dogma, it has a practical purpose and has worked very well.

If so, why?

> "President explained he's pushing tech immigration reform hard and using executive action to help address tech's "urgent need" for global talent."

What "urgent need?"

Any real evidence to support this? Tech companies, and their lobbyists, and political cronies, have been "shortage shouting" for decades. It is not unusual for tech companies to be shortage shouting even while lying off thousands of US workers.

If you want more tech workers, provide good jobs for them. Make your tech workers feel confident that they will not be replaced by cheaper H1Bs, or have their jobs off-shored. Let your developers know that they will not be forced to work 100 hour a week with no overtime pay.

All these types of articles are just PR stunts to make the public think there is some desperate shortage, when there really is not.

If girls/women don't like STEM, fine let them do something else. An RN can earn well over $100K/year. Why no screaming hissy-fit over a lack of male nurses?

I bet a lot of great tech start-ups lacked diversity. Not just gender diversity, but age, income, education, and race, as well. All young white guys who come from well-off families, and dropped out of big name colleges. I wonder if those start-ups would have worked as well if they were burdened with diversity regulations.