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Comment Re:Why should Lenovo support their main competitor (Score 1) 125

I don't know why you have this weird agenda of insisting that any Linux on the desktop (that isn't ChromeOS) needs to remain a niche.

It doesn't have to remain niche, but people won't change just for the sake of it, it needs to give people a reason to change.

You yourself cited FOSS desktop applications as something that people use, and that it doesn't matter what OS they use.

Right, but why would somebody switch from the incumbent operating systems?

It seems like either you're emotionally invested in being anti-Linux or you're just being difficult for the sake of it.

No, I'm not anti-Linux at all, you seem to not understand that you supplant an incumbent by differentiating in some way that consumers are going to say "wow that's so much better than what I have now". For example the iPhone vs Blackberry or the iPad vs the old Windows tablets. I'm a realist, I can see that that is what is missing in desktop Linux and that is the reason it hasn't supplanted Windows or OS X, it doesn't have a killer feature.

You have GIMP, LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgin, Skype, Dropbox, VLC, Spotify, and an ever-increasing number of games offered through Steam. People who use those applications are not a 'niche'.

Agreed, but they all run on Windows and OS X too, so why switch to Linux? What's the killer feature?

Comment Re:Why should Lenovo support their main competitor (Score 1) 125

Right so the people who don't need application compatibility will go ChromeOS or Android or iOS and those who do will stick with Windows or OS X. Those who want a system with a pre-installed desktop Linux distro (that isn't ChromeOS) will remain the tiny niche segment that they currently are.

Comment Re:Why should Lenovo support their main competitor (Score 1) 125

This truly is a better MacBook Air than a MacBook Air.

But you just outlined how a MacBook Air doesn't suit your needs, so for that reason you went with something different that explicitly is not a MacBook Air because a MacBook Air is by definition not what you want. Doesn't your statement apply equally to pretty much every single product that isn't an S200E? Unless of course you understood the MacBook Air to be something other than what it actually is.

Comment Re:Why should Lenovo support their main competitor (Score 1) 125

If I want all the functionality of Chrome OS and a couple other more conventional applications (e.g. GIMP, LibreOffice), then it makes more sense to just install something more like Ubuntu.

I guess I'm thinking that there aren't many people like that, they either want to run their specific OS X or Windows applications or - as you said - the applications they need have been pushed to the web like Google Docs/Office365 and Pixlr Editor.

And again, it doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to say, "Suggesting that people use Linux is dumb. They can just use Android or buy a Chromebook!" That's still Linux. If I want all the functionality of Chrome OS and a couple other more conventional applications (e.g. GIMP, LibreOffice), then it makes more sense to just install something more like Ubuntu.

Yeah that's why I didn't say that. We've had decades of being able to install other linux distros but ultimately there is no compelling reason to do so for the general populace because even when Windows changes Linux distros are still an unfamiliar environment but they don't run all your programs, if you have to adapt to a new environment it might as well be a compatible one.

So the point is, it would be trivial for a company like HP to take Ubuntu, include drivers for their own hardware, and brand it however they want.

I agree, and maybe you're right that they will do something like that but personally I don't see a switch from the incumbent desktop operating systems except to a web-based one if that fits the bill.

Comment Re:Why should Lenovo support their main competitor (Score 1) 125

Especially as FOSS has grown and more applications have been pushed to the web, the 3rd party app lock-in isn't what it once was.

But that's why people care less and less about what operating system they run, it doesn't matter that much anymore, just look at the surge in Chromebook popularity. The other thing is the FOSS apps are - by their nature - portable to closed proprietary platforms like OS X and Windows meaning if vendors did make a move to a free operating system and an investment in FOSS programs then they're just shutting out their customers from the proprietary software vendors. People don't buy a computer and then go "ok now what can I do with it" - at least not anymore - they get them to run programs. If it's web-based then the OS doesn't matter, if it's FOSS then in most cases it doesn't either (Blender, GIMP, Ardour, etc...) and if it's proprietary applications (most prevalent is probably content creation) then you probably need OS X or Windows.

The free (or even some proprietary alternative) OS has no added value to the customer, sure you could have yet another Linux distribution but what would that achieve? We already have plenty that are dead simple to install. If you want desktop programs then Windows or OS X is still your best bet and if you can live with predominantly web-based applications then a Chromebook, an Android tablet or an iPad will probably do.

Comment Re:"here on the Android side" (Score 1) 42

In other words: "because Microsoft can't do then no one can".

It's not just Microsoft there's also Ubuntu's Unity and the pretty much universally unused Launchpad in OSX then you have this VolksPC implementation which if anything is even more jarring than Windows 8. There's been hardware to do it with for years now, even Microsoft's own Surface Pro line can run Linux and Android. I'm not saying it's impossible just because nobody has done it, but there's been ample time and still nobody has got it even close yet.

It's more like "If Micrososft can't do it then EVERYONE ELSE can, will, and have done it for 10 years prior".

So where is it then?

Comment Re:Microsoft "At Home" lab is a bust (Score 1) 161

they failed to realize that people don't want an intelligent dryer and an intelligent toaster and an intelligent melon baller.

Maybe so but intelligent thermostats and lighting systems most definitely.

The reality is whatever fancy device you own that has any kind of transistor in it, much less a CPU-- a phone, a tablet, a TV-- you're having to fuss with it.

Nope, either you have never used a decent intelligent thermostat or you're doing it wrong. Or there's internet-connected appliances like air conditioners, the ability to control them remotely is great. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you mean by "having to fuss with it".

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