Comment Re:In other news (Score 1) 489
Too bad it's not untrue.
In which you provide no objective evidence or studies to back up your anecdotal experiences. You shouldn't use such strong language.
An eye-opening experience for me was a co-worker I had a while back. She was kind, hard-working, and fair. She wasn't afraid to let me know when I was wrong about something and she didn't fly off the handle when I told her she was wrong about something. Then again, I don't recall many times other than when she was new that I had to let her know her perception of how something worked wasn't accurate.
Unfortunately, she get pulled down by the drama and decided to find another job.
It must be difficult working as a woman. Every other woman sees you as a target, somebody to claw down. The heartbreaking thing is watching this happen to somebody, watching things that are wrong and things that aren't even wrong or are sheer lunacy get thrown around just to smear somebody. Sometimes when it gets really bad I'll see things like official documentation get surreptitiously screwed with. One thing one has to be careful about in a workplace that's dominated by womyn-born-womyn is when one woman asks you to make one change to some software and then another woman asks you to make a very similar but different change.
Hoo boy, I've learned attempting to reconcile the two individuals requesting different things from me is a complete mistake when they're both womyn-born-womyn. I have a feeling that's what got the co-worker I liked working with in over her head. The most frustrating thing is that attempting to bring this to the attention of both individuals invariably is seen as picking sides. Sure, guys do this from time to time (just like having a vagina does not make one above sexism, having a penis does not make one above pettiness), but with a womyn-born-womyn you can count on it. It's not honest, but I've found the best way is to work through each nuance of the request, implement the parts of each that seem most correct, and then just tell both requesters it's all set. I don't know if they ever go back to check if I did what they asked, but the important point to a lot of womyn-born-womyn is that you were asked to do something so you did it without involving them in the details.
What you described is common workplace pettiness typically demonstrated by business stakeholders and analysts in a dysfunctional software development company. Lower level business analysts and project managers might have a much higher propensity to being female in many industries, Eg. Healthcare, where many of the domain experts and business experts used to be nurses or technicians that already have a higher propensity for being women. Your presumptions about the natural state of women are based on a painfully small subset of professional women as a demographic. Keep in mind as a software developer I have seen the same behavior as you describe but based on a more worldly view I am not jumping to such big conclusions as you describe because I have also certainly seen pettiness in the same subset comprised of men. Perhaps it is something about non-technical people being under the gun and stressed about something they don't truly understand that causes people to lash out and bring out the claws.
It's not important to be objectively correct to womyn-born-womyn. They have other priorities, values, and ways of knowing. There's a lot of what that article calls "Subjective Knowledge: The inner voice" going on. Unfortunately that "way of knowing" simply doesn't lend to success when you're writing a computer program. For many womyn-born-womyn, it's just simply unimportant to move to another "way of knowing," and why should they? What benefit would using "Procedural Knowledge: Separate and connected knowing" or "Constructed Knowledge: Integrating the voices" that incorporate both personal subjective knowledge and external objective knowledge have to a Mother?
In what ways have you incorporated external objective knowledge to form your negative view of women?
That I think is a big problem. I cannot have children, and being trans I also have no family or any other way to influence a child with a reproductive system on the inside to have other aspirations than getting rich in sales or medicine or being Mother. Instead, it seems they continue to be influenced by Mothers and the increasingly womyn-born-womyn dominated elementary school.
The only solution I can think of is that we have to stop giving entitlement benefits to womyn-born-womyn solely on the basis that they got themselves pregnant. Require them to have a career or some other way to support a family before they choose Mother. Unfortunately, I think a lot of womyn-born-womyn would continue to limit themselves to being a Mother, but at least maybe they'd just be a lower-case mother and there might be a father involved instead of wage garnishment.
Welfare and the choice to be a mother isn't about supporting a womans right to be a leech on society, it is about protecting children. The only thing you solve by not assisting single low income mothers is making it harder for them to care for their children and causing those children to suffer and not have a fair shot at life.
I look at you cisgendered people, and a lot of times I'm at a loss for many of the ways objectivity goes out the window when it comes to gender. Do I want women "back in the kitchen?" No, but I struggle to see any other outcome as long as all we do is blame anyone and everyone assigned the male gender at birth for life choices and the drawbacks of those life choices that individual womyn-born-womyn make. It takes two to tango; it's time to start putting some accountability for the lack of womyn-born-womyn in CS and STEM on the individuals who are making the choice to pursue other interests.
I'll tell you what I hear and see. I hear a lot of men who are saying they'd love more womyn-born-womyn especially in CS. I see girls interested in engineering and CS right up until they find out they can make twice as much and retire at 35 if they pursue erotic dancing for example or else decide to start a family before they've even gone to college.
No other choice but to go back in the kitchen... that women would rather pole-dance than pursue a more dignified career because money is the only thing important to them... Your bias is showing.
I see a lot of kvetching from feminists and white knights about the outcome of these facts of life. I hear women who are seeking careers in CS complain about how they get job offers simply because they're the only woman who was interviewed for the position and, thanks to the white knights and feminists, the interviewers are too scared not to offer her the job. I also know a number of womyn-born-womyn who believe that I can program computers because of my assigned gender!
This is where I had to stop reading. As soon as you pulled out those lame misogynistic 4chan derogatory terms you showed your true colors not as somebody trying to make a valid point but somebody so hopelessly deluded by their own wrongheaded world view. Resorting to derogatory name calling as a means to control the debate and debase a series of arguments or thought that conflict with your worldview where you have no objective evidence to the contrary to refute. This is a classic logical fallacy.
You are blinded by hatred, so much so that what little evidence you do have has been cherry picked to support your worldview that you find most palatable.