Considering they're stackable, why do you think you need to do them all at once? Would one be better than none? Do you know, by measurement, how much power you actually consume at night, when the panels aren't generating?

Not criticizing, just curious and gathering info.

You're confusing V2L (Vehicle to Load) with V2H (Vehicle to Home) or V2G (Vehicle to Grid). V2L means you can plug normal 120V/240V AC stuff into your vehicle and it'll run. I have an Ioniq 6 that can do this and it can provide up to 3.6 kW of power, with 3.6kVA for 230V power devices and 1.9kVA for 120V power devices. It has a maximum draw of 15A. You aren't running your house on that, but can do some emergency loads.

V2H is really only available with the Ford F-150 Lightning right now. I *think* you can make it work with a Nissan Leaf because CHAdeMO has supported V2H from the beginning, but it is uncommon because of the stress it puts on the Leaf's non-temperature regulated batteries.

Solar with battery storage. The batteries are what allow you to store all that excess power generated during the sunny day so you can use it at night, instead of paying astronomical prices.

Or make bank on arbitrage and sell high from your batteries that were filled for the cheap.

I don't trust the manufacturer, either. That's what the UL listing and certification is for. UL I trust as much as possible. And installing anything like that will require it to be to State electrical code, which is fairly picky on battery storage.

I'm biased. The house I currently live in had the oil burning furnace explode in 2011. It was located in the basement and the fire gutted the kitchen above it. I'm surprised the whole house didn't burn, but there was significant damage.

Where I live it is common for 120 gallon propane tanks to be strapped to the outside wall of the house. Granted, I'm in West Virginia and this place isn't know for intelligence. Safety regulations are for them liberal hippie communist types.

Sigh...no. From the website:

People have heating oil, propane, and kerosene tanks next to their houses all the time and rely solely on the fire-rated tanks. Batteries aren't special in this regard, unless you consider they aren't a liquid that can spread or a gas that can expand so they're safer.

That really isn't their concern, because they're not marketing to the automotive sector, where weight is an issue. Their focus is for stationary storage like data center, grid scale, etc. Weight is no longer a major concern when you aren't hauling it around.

According to this page, energy density in Wh/l is 1/2 to 1/6 that of Lithium. On the other hand, significantly better maximum sustained power and recharge times.

They do mention EV fast charging, but they aren't talking about the car batteries but rather battery storage at the charger so charging stations can level out their power draws and reduce their utility bills.

Motional worked with Hyundai to create fully autonomous (SAE Level 4) Ioniq 5 robotaxis that are currently operating in Las Vegas.

Yes, they are, which is the problem. Razer slapped some RGB LEDs on a mask and sold it.

Well, the Powerwall 1 was introduced back in April 2015 for a price of $3,000, which is $3,953 in 2024 dollars. The specs said a total of 6.4 kWh with a continuous and peak charge/discharge of 3.3 kW. The inverter was separate, because it was designed to be integrated into an existing solar setup.

The Powerwall 3 was introduced in September 2023 for $7,300 but includes an integrated solar inverter. The specs for it are double the total power at 13.5 kWh, with a continuous charge/discharge of 11.5 kW -- more than triple the original -- and a peak, 10 second draw of 30 kW, about 9 times the original.

So, we're talking more than 3x the device, plus a solar inverter, for less than double the price. Oh, and the original used nickel-manganese-cobalt batteries that were only rated for 5,000 cycles in the warranty. Battery chemistry is now Lithium-Ferrous (Iron)-Phosphate, which is more stable than the NMC and the warranty reflects that at 10-year, unlimited cycles. Oh, and the 3 is expandable with separate "DC packs". That's just batteries without the inverter.

As far as EV replacement batteries, there's a decent market for Nissan Leaf aftermarket batteries. The official, 24 kWh Nissan replacement is $5,500 + install. Third party depends on the current demand, but averaged half that when I last checked and there were even upgrade options (bigger batteries) if you wanted to pimp out your Leaf.

So... yes, batteries are getting substantially cheaper and while the end user may not be seeing the full 90% decrease, we're seeing quite a bit. That full cost decrease is for utility scale buyers.

Well, when we have headlines from last week like this, I'm ready to give coal a hard deadline and fuck 'em if they can't meet it:

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other/west-virginia-says-no-to-biden-s-solar-panel-push-state-s-billionaire-coal-magnate-governor-vetoes-renewable-energy-bill-claiming-it-would-ve-put-miners-out-of-work/ar-BB1kE1oo

There is currenlty enough solar and wind projects queued up to more than double the entire US grid capacity, they're just waiting on interconnections. The processes used in the US for grid upkeep and upgrading are antiquated, laborious, and not geared for growth.

Within the framework of the Constitution itself, Congress is king. They can override a veto by the Executive and remove them from office if they so choose. For the context we were speaking, tax and spend, Congress has effective unlimited authority if they so choose to use it.

Names of bills don't mean shit, they never have. Trying to tie anything to what politicians *name* a bill is pointless and childish. (Hello "Patriot Act").

Inflation hasn't gone down because people are still spending, raised prices or not. Talk is cheap, actions are what matter. People bitch up a storm that fast food prices (for example) are thru the roof (they are), but they're doing it while buying enough fast food the companies are making record profits.

And it isn't just essentials that are absolutely required, but everything. Prices will go back down when people start taking more action and stop spending.

It doesn't work that way. Everything works because people follow the basic rules -- the Constitution itself. Amending the Constitution itself isn't a simple vote of Congress, much less something signed by a President into law. There's an explicit process.

Your question is akin in seriousness to "what if EVERYONE just stopped paying taxes".

They didn't. They went up variable amounts, often higher, depending on what they were. And those prices went up YEARS before this legislation was passed, so the link you're implying is imaginary.