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A Web Based Solution to Replace Exchange? 75

benthemeek asks: "A friend of mine works for a company that has more than 6k users connecting to a Outlook exchange server instance through VPN from various homes all across the country. The executives at his company would like to move to Active Directory and a web based solution for these users. When Outlook Web Access was priced out, it was judged very expensive and they opened the floor to other options. They want a LDAP enabled, web based email and calendar that could hopefully plug in or replace Exchange, and if the solution can be load balanced between more than one server to ensure reliability and uptime, that would be even better. Slashdot readers come from many walks of life and I am sure some of you have gone through a similar experience and could give some insight to this problem. The fan boy in me would like to see a complete Open Source to meet this need, but that may not be possible. Have any of you done similar migrations, and to what solution did you go to?"
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A Web Based Solution to Replace Exchange?

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  • Ummm... Easy... (Score:5, Informative)

    by eno2001 ( 527078 ) on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @06:02PM (#15021202) Homepage Journal
    Zimbra.com [zimbra.com] Look at the demo. It can be made to integrate with AD's LDAP. It has calendaring, e-mail and contacts. And there are Outlook/Exchange migration tools. Also check out the forums on Zimbra.com. This should really be a Slashback...
  • ExchangeIt (Score:3, Informative)

    by Guspaz ( 556486 ) on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @06:07PM (#15021251)
    I can't help but plug the software from the company I've worked for:

    http://www.nitix.com/products/os/exchangeit.php [nitix.com]

    Linux-based MS Exchange replacement. Due to the whole autonomic computing paradigm, it is much easier to set up than any competitors.

    The downside is that it comes with its own OS, which could be an obstacle to some people. From my experience, though, companies don't care about the OS, they are just as happy to throw an entire box at the problem.
  • Horde (Score:4, Informative)

    by Phroggy ( 441 ) * <slashdot3@ p h roggy.com> on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @06:12PM (#15021296) Homepage
    I've been deploying Horde [horde.org] for some of a couple of my clients lately, and they seem happy with it. It can be a pain to get set up correctly, but once you've done it a few times you begin to get the hang of it and it's not so bad. It's poorly documented, but very configurable.
  • Zimbra? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Zocalo ( 252965 ) on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @06:16PM (#15021330) Homepage
    I've not looked at it in any great depth recently, but Zimbra [zimbra.com] is aiming to be what you are looking for and is now up to v3.0 so should be fairly mature. Zimbra's webclient is AJAX based rather than ActiveX, so unlike Exchange's Outlook Web Access even non-Microsoft browsers get all the pretty bells and whistles in the interface. You also have a much broader range of stand-alone clients to choose from without loosing much, if any, of Exchange's level of functionality.

    If you stick with Exchange on the backend and just want to replace Outlook then Evolution [gnome.org] is probably your best (if not only) choice as it implements most of Outlook's functionality. It also support other mail client standards like IMAP and POP3 of course, so will seamlessly integrate with any almost other backend mail server too. Packages for UNIX are readily available and the Windows port is also stable, and although there isn't a pre-rolled installation package just yet, that can't be too far off.

  • by PFactor ( 135319 ) on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @06:16PM (#15021333) Journal
    I'm a big proponent of using Citrix's Presentation Server as a means of providing secure access, any time, anywhere.

    The basic idea is you build a Windows terminal server (more likely several - fault tolerance and all that), install Outlook on it, and use Citrix's web interface to provide a launch point. Outlook runs on the server, and any user with an ICA client (Citrix's client) can run it - even your Mac, *nix, and (gasp) DOS users.

    That takes care of users inside the firewall. Outside, you have to have a VPN solution. Or, you can use the Citrix Access Gateway to provide access. By itself, it acts just like an SSL VPN, only cheaper (the box is $2500 and concurrent user licenses are $200 or so at retail). When used in conjunction with something called Advanced Access Control (AAC), you can provide secure access to any Citrix-delivered or web-delivered applications WITHOUT a VPN client. AAC turns the CAG into an HTTP/HTTPS/ICA proxy. It features RSA integration and all that jazz. As a side-bonus, AAC + CAG support smartphones, PDA's, and Crackberry's (though that last has an ugly UI).

    Not the cheapest solution and it is certainly not as easy as I describe, but it is definitely capable of doing what you need - without having to retrain your users on a mail application. It is easier to say "go to this URL, log in, and click the Outlook icon" than it is to say, "here's PINE - Hope you remember how to use telnet" :)

    To provide robust access anytime, anywhere
  • OpenGroupware.org (Score:2, Informative)

    by ke4qqq ( 678293 ) on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @06:40PM (#15021503)
    I suggest that you look at OpenGroupware.org, in particular you may want to look at SOGo, which is Scalable OpenGroupware.org http://sogo.opengroupware.org/ [opengroupware.org]. Unfortunately the SOGo specific bits aren't yet under the GPL/LGPL as the rest of the OGo stack is. However you can license it from Skyrix is my understanding.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @06:52PM (#15021612)
    As of last week: http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/03/23/76503_13 TCmessage_1.html [infoworld.com]

    Good comparison between the two leading options. We're thinking about this ourselves for our small business.
  • Novell NetMail (Score:3, Informative)

    by invisik ( 227250 ) on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @07:11PM (#15021752) Homepage
    Sonuds like NetMail would fit the bill, on your choice of platform (NetWare, Windows 2000 or Linux). Scales to jillions of users. Requires eDirectory, but you can make that replicate with ActiveDirectory at no additional cost.

    http://www.novell.com/products/netmail/ [novell.com]

    Have fun!

    -m
  • Horde 3.0 (Score:4, Informative)

    by Jizzbug ( 101250 ) on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @08:05PM (#15022176)
    You really should check out The Horde Project [horde.org]. Horde (and it's webmail client IMP) has been around for a very long time. Development is very active and open.

    Horde went through a major rewrite/restructuring for the 3.0 effort. Horde 3.0 is definitely a web-based Exchange-killer (and Sharepoint-killer).

    If you use Cyrus IMAPd as your IMAP backend, you even get shared mailboxes. Horde's other modules also have excellent sharing support. Shared calendars, mailboxes, todo lists, addressbooks, etc. Turba, the addressbook module, supports LDAP directories. Horde's other modules also have support to grab bits of info from LDAP.

    I highly recommend Horde. I used to use it a lot more than I do know. When that was the case, I was also a regularly submitter of patches to the project (I helped mostly the last year 3.0 was still unreleased).

    While Hula [hula-project.org] may look prettier, I find Horde to be much more functional.

    Of course, there are plenty of things to be done... So, start using it and start submitting patches!
  • Re:Novell NetMail (Score:4, Informative)

    by Plug ( 14127 ) on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @09:07PM (#15022556) Homepage
    Novell NetMail has been open-sourced (and largely superceded) by the Hula Project [hula-project.org].

    The web interface is one of the key improvements over NetMail.
  • by kbielefe ( 606566 ) * <karl.bielefeldt@ ... om minus painter> on Wednesday March 29, 2006 @09:46PM (#15022759)
    You forgot to post the link to the Microsoft pricing and information about needed upgrade frequency. Does that include operating system licenses? Do you really go for 5 years without upgrading? 3 years seems like a more realistic upgrade cycle based on the release frequency.

    I'm no IT expert so maybe it's just me, but I'm thinking that perhaps since it has the same features, a small business would want the small business edition for $2900 per year for 100 users, for a total 3 year cost of $8700 with upgrades and OS licenses included.

    However, since we are talking about a business with 6000 users, let's look at that cost:

    Zimbra
    6000 x $28 x 3 years = $504,000 with upgrades and full support included
    Exchange
    $1100 + (5995 / 5 x $500) = $600,600 with no upgrades

    See, you can twist the numbers either way. I'll leave it to the mods to decide who was more realistic. Microsoft may have some volume licensing that I'm not aware of, but why should I track down the exact price when you wouldn't?

    Of course, if I was the CFO, I would go with secret option number 3: spend $150,000 to hire a full-time developer for a year to make an ultra-customized version of the zimbra open source edition that will meet my company's exact needs.

  • Kerio works for me. (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 30, 2006 @06:40AM (#15024995)
    Kerio mail server is nice. I do IT work for a school district and we have had a wonderfull experience with kerio. It's running on a linux box, and uses active directory. It has an active directory plugin so you can create a mailbox while creating a new user in active directory. This saved us from having to do all that dual entry. We have banned Outlook/Entorage on our network so I can't say how well it supports exchange, but so far the Apple address book has no problems using it as an exchange server. The web interface is great. It's just missing the ability to make personal email groups. (I have a workaround, but it's not very elegant.) Support has been awesome. Every time we've called it's been for something small and the fix was either just released or a couple days away. I don't know how well it will scale to 6k clients, but it's yawning at our ~250 if that's any indication.

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