Ireland Cracks Down on Online Scammers 183
bizpile writes "Ireland has decided to take some extreme measures to crack down on one type of online scam. They have decided to suspend direct dialing to 13 countries (mostly South Pacific Islands) in order to halt the use of auto-dialers. The measure, announced by Ireland's Commission for Communications Regulation, came in response to hundreds of consumer complaints about the scams. ComReg acknowledges that its move is extreme but says that previous efforts to raise awareness of the problem failed to significantly diminish complaints. ComReg will keep the block in place for six months, after which it will be reviewed. All direct-dial calls will initially be blocked, although the regulator is also compiling a "white list" of legitimate numbers that consumers have requested to call."
More awareness would help too. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:What's the scam ? (Score:3, Insightful)
You can't *prove* you didn't make the call legitimately.
Re:Will this ever work (Score:3, Insightful)
Insightful ? . Note to Mod: RTFA it's not even about spamming, nor is the scam based in Ireland.
Good Idea (Score:4, Insightful)
Clearly no company wants to cut into their profits, so I'm sure they very carefully analysed calls to the blocked areas over the last while, to see how many calls were made out to them. If they were used all the time by customers, they wouldn't consider it feasible to ban the entire selection.
It could be considered to be extreme, but it's certainly not any sort of censorship. They have said that they will compile a "white-list" of numbers in those territories, so if you have a legitimate reason to be calling those places, they are more than happy for you to do so. Again, just like configuring a firewall for the first time, it is a bit of a pain to allow all the things you need to, but you end up with a much more secure system.
Re:Crime costs even when it doesn't pay (Score:2, Insightful)
Think of this as cutting off an entire netblock for spamming. Either the guys on the other side do something about it, or their phones just stop ringing.
make such scam billing illegal (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, you might still need to block some popular scam countries, if only to protect the citizens from running up not insignificant long distance time charges (and you certainly can't stop the telcos from charging from long distance time, but you can stop them from charging the extra fees that motivate this problem in the first place). If enough countries got around to saying flat out that we know this is a scam and we are going to legally protect our citizens from the "fees" they are being scammed out of, then eventually the problem would go away and there would be no need to block numbers. But as long as the government sides with the crooks and their telco accomplices and allows the telcos to go after the victim in this scam, the problem will not only continue but will grow; this article is the proof of that.
What little, if any, valid charges one incurrs while calling another party by long distance could certainly be covered by other and better means than allowing it to be directly billed to a telephone number (credit card, for example). Enforcing this would be far better than exposing all of your citizens to a scam based on a flawed telco business model and blocking whole countries from your long distance system.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing this type of billing go away completely, even for calls within a country. But at least there is a good argument that any scammers operating this way inside a country can be caught and taken to court; which is often not the case when they are on the other side of the globe. A few simple changes to the law, such as forcing the telcos to hold any payments for several innitial months to be sure victims have time to complain about scam sites and block those payments, should be adequate to stop hit and run scammers from seting up shop in the country they plan to run their scam in. And, of course, a law should block incoming international long distance telco "special fees", not just outgoing ones.
Re:Extreme but a step in the right direction (Score:3, Insightful)
Alas, the south pacific isn't a particularly well-regulated place. Its not as easy as saying "just send the law enforcement around to whatever business is doing this". I think the ComReg plan is the only practical solution available under the circumstances.
It all comes down to education. (Score:3, Insightful)
However, people will not "wake up" to a fact until it (A) impacts a large enough segment for the media to report on it or (B) impacts business enough to have them protect their infrastructure better and/or buy air/press time (see A above)
Government regulation is not the answer. It creates more red tape and toothless laws and raises taxes. Businesses (to include telcos, whether a state or private) should be innovative, not lobby the government to protect a broken system.
Re:Is this the proper way? (Score:2, Insightful)
Of course it will. If the dialers can't dial these numbers the custoemr can't get ripped off.
Numerous complaints about these charges to Eircom [eircom.ie] (Our countries defacto telecomunications monopoly) have been ignored. Many customers have been left out of pocket. Thats why the usually toothless ComReg [comreg.ie] has taken action.
The best way, as a starter, would be to educate Joe average how harmful these dialers can be, and instead of going on blocking direct dialing to specific zones, wouldn't it also help much better if the user knew how to recognize, avoid, detect and eliminate such scams?
The people tha have been ripped off are generally not the tech savvy kind. They are not going to listen to this "education" anymore than they listen to traffic laws. Generally people will only care about it after they have been done over. These trojan dialers go to great lengths to conceal their presence.
See also Ireland offline [irelandoffline.com] for more info.
Re:Pin codes on international/premium rate (Score:2, Insightful)
"If windows asks about changing dialup settings, remember to click Yes or you won't see [Insert_Celeb_Name] tits."
Its just like the websites for activeX controls, or more recently for Driver downloads.
Never underestimate the gullibility of your userbase.
All of these problems are caused by operating under Admin anyway, because if I remember rightly, you can't change things like this as a normal user.
Fix that issue and the problems will subside.
Password stealing, anyone? (Score:2, Insightful)
This means they could also sniff packets to their heart's content, stealing passwords as they go...
Eircom was making more out of it than the scammers (Score:5, Insightful)
So likely Eircom were paying the foreign telco a relatively small amount for completing the call, and the foreign telco would pass on a percentage of that to the dialler operator, while Eircom itself was getting the lions share of the actual call costs. If you complained, they would basically say 'you shouldn't have been visiting porn sites then'.
It was in no way in Eircom's interest to see these scams ended, and that's why it was the government regulator that stepped in to force them to block the number.
See here [comwreck.com] for some more background information. (This guy's site is a parody of the ComReg site but the information he presents is true.)
Re:Will this ever work (Score:5, Insightful)
*NEVER gona happen
On the other hand, if America (and maybe the E.U. too) passed a simple law stating that customers would not be responsiable for international long distance premium charges and that the government would no longer side with the telcos in giving them the weight of law to enforce these fees coming from a flawed business model against it's own citizens, then the problem would go away fast.
It might even go away faster if the government recognized that this was a well know fraud based on a flawed concept that the telcos set up and that the telcos take a cut from each time the scam gets a victim, and charged them with rackettering for letting the problem continue.
Re:A small question of freedom... (Score:4, Insightful)
Doesn't this require the use of MSIE? (Score:3, Insightful)
Dumb (Score:3, Insightful)
"Hello, is that Paddy? I'll give you 20 euros to try and call this number so that it gets added to the whitelist."
Automated authenticathion: (Score:3, Insightful)
Humans will be able to respond to this. Modem autodialers will not (at least not without a huge amount of added intelligence).
BTW: I'm patenting the process :-)