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The Almighty Buck

419 Scam Costs Britons 8.4m GBP in 2002 314

Albanach writes "In this article the Scotland on Sunday newspaper reports figures from the UK's National Criminal Intelligence Service which show 150 Britons were caught out by the Nigerian 419 scam and its variations in 2002, with a total loss of 8.4m GBP ($13.3m US)or around 57,000 GBP ($90,000 US) a head. "
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419 Scam Costs Britons 8.4m GBP in 2002

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  • I wonder... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Chris_Stankowitz ( 612232 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @11:49AM (#5418589)
    if more people in britan just reported it. Americans tend to not report things of this nature out of shame. Anyone know anything about the numbers in other countries?
  • Re:Surprising? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Epsillon ( 608775 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @11:53AM (#5418602) Journal
    Maybe they should lose theire superiority complex.

    Or not, if that spelling's anything to go by... Just kidding ;o)

    I think it's mainly jelousy on our part. We used to be a world player but now we're reduced to hanging on to the tails of Mr. Bush like some sort of flunkie. Most Americans I have met and spoken to are as intelligent and well-mannered as any Briton, most of the time more so. You just have a propensity for electing to office the same fools we do :o)

  • by ihtagik ( 318795 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @11:55AM (#5418612)
    who have suffered financially due to the scam. However shooting a (Nigerian) diplomat [bbc.co.uk] is definitely not going to help things...

  • Have we forgot? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by xintegerx ( 557455 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @12:00PM (#5418632) Homepage
    People....

    THE 'victims' tooks part in the scam, trying to import and export money while avoiding reporting it and paying taxes.

    Shouldn't all 150 go to prison? Remember, the fraud of millions is also on Brittain's side of the table with its citizens...
  • More information (Score:3, Interesting)

    by arvindn ( 542080 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @12:00PM (#5418633) Homepage Journal


    The 419 coalition website [rica.net] fights the nigerian scam

    scam alert [priveye.com]

    A hilarious account of a revenge killing [theregister.co.uk] related to the 419 scam

  • What if.. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by hexdcml ( 553714 ) <hexdcml@ho[ ]il.com ['tma' in gap]> on Sunday March 02, 2003 @12:03PM (#5418646)
    What if I gave them my bank account with £0? Tell them to deposit into an empty account.. instead of providing your *real* account? Also, can the banks track who makes the withdrawl so the criminals can be caught?
  • Skeptical (Score:2, Interesting)

    by bluelan ( 534976 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @12:10PM (#5418667)
    The $90,000 per head figure is really tough to buy. The only monetary figure they name is a £7,000 loss for a recent victim. That seems about right to me. I'd be really interested in knowing what the median loss was.
  • by chrisseaton ( 573490 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @12:27PM (#5418724) Homepage
    They're not just stupid, they were choosing to take part in illegal laundering of money. The fact that were crossed doesn't stop them being criminals. I would prosecute every one.
  • by waxcrash ( 604628 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @12:30PM (#5418739)
    Scam o Rama [scamorama.com] is devoted to receipients of 419 scam letters responding in commical replies. Very funny and entertaining. One guy convinced a scammer to send him a gold sample which he used to buy beer.
  • by King_TJ ( 85913 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @12:36PM (#5418771) Journal
    As an experiment, my wife replied to one of these scam emails when we first got it. We pretended to be interested in it, and then laughed as we led them on, for at least 5 or 6 emails in a row. "Sure, we'll meet up with you - at this place and time." Then, "Oh, sorry - we weren't able to make it. Hope you didn't wait for us long? Let's try this again." Finally, we just let things get absurd enough that the scammer realized we weren't serious, and gave up.

    Well, ever since then, guess what? We get about one of these scam emails per *day*, all slightly different and from different origins.

    So I guess these scammers resell mailing lists of people who reply to their original scam letters!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 02, 2003 @07:39PM (#5420980)
    Amen to that!

    People who fall for it have the lethal combination of greed, stupidity and dishonesty, and I'm afraid I can't feel much sympathy for them. For that matter, I wouldn't want them within a mile of a business I was running.

    By getting involved in these schemes on the basis that the messages claim, they are willingly becoming accessories to a crime. What other laws are they prepared to break to make a quick buck?
  • Re:My Small Time Con (Score:3, Interesting)

    by jorlando ( 145683 ) on Sunday March 02, 2003 @09:33PM (#5421471)
    That kind of con that you told is very common in Brazil... lots of variants... sometimes about a lootery ticket that the person (the con artist) don't know how to exchange, sometimes somebody with a large check willing to exchange for a very smaller value so can go home (usually a small country town) earlier... and even being a very known anecdote everyday somebody falls into that con.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 03, 2003 @03:08AM (#5422510)
    about five years ago i was walking down the street in downtown berkeley when a similar version of that scam started happening to me. . . after travelling for a few years thru mexico, central america, and western & eastern europe, i always get a bit sketched out by complete strangers who come up to me and don't ask for something outright (e.g. pen, piece of paper, spare change, cig, a light, directions). . .

    in the berkeley scenario i forget the specifics but a dude came up and asked for help "donating" a huge wad of "cash" (probably paper with a bill on the outside) to a charity or something. . . i remember he had some sorta "official" letter of some sort stating he had to spend the money before he returned home and was absolutely adamant about not going to anything like a cop or bank. . . in fact, i think he also didn't want anything to do with white people or something too. . . anyway, after trying to help him out for a bit a 2nd dude came up and joined in on the conversation. . .

    when the wad of cash first made its appearance i remember alarm bells going off in my head and when the 2nd dude came up i remember thinking, "okay, this *has* to be a scam but how are they planning on taking my money?". .. i was never in any real danger as i was on a relatively busy street at dusk so i half wanted to sorta stick around to see when the scam was actually gonna kick in. . . after a while i figured that, to be safe, i oughtta just bail and then made my exit by telling the 2nd dude that he seemed to have things under control and left 'em. . .

    thing was that up until your post i couldn't figure out how the scam would've worked even if i believed 'em. . . only thing i could think of was that they'd lead me down some side street (or give me a ride in a car) and just rob me outright. . .

    you're right tho', getting scammed sucks, psychologically as well as monetarily. . . in europe i got taken by a scam (that's been tried on me several times since) where you're on an average sidewalk (i.e. not deserted but not totally bustling either) and a dude comes up with a map and asks for directions somewhere. . . basically what happens is you help him out (or not, if you don't know your way around) and then he gets all friendly and talkative asking where you're from and how long you're travelling and shit like that. . .

    well while you're distracted by talking to your new "friend", another dude in everyday street clothes walks up and says he's a cop (or secret service, control, immigration, military, whatever), flashes you some bogus ID, and demands to see your passport. . . then he demands that you empty out your pockets and acts all, y'know, gruff authoritarian cop like with the attitude that he could throw you in jail if he wanted to. . . sometimes a third dude then comes up and acts as an additional distraction and when the "cop" says you're clear and gives you back your shit in one big confused lump, the first thing you make sure you get back is your passport. .. then you check and make sure your credit cards and whatnot are there. . . *then* you check to see if you got all your cash back, which, of course, you don't, but by then all three of the perps have taken off. . .

    i was in prague when i fell for the scam but i've been approached like that in vienna, munich, and paris. . . to me, the scams where someone poses as a cop are always disconcerting 'cuz growing up in the US i've kinda got it ingrained into me that when someone says they're a cop and even shows you his ID, you don't just turn and walk away. . . i do it now if the cop was preceded by someone asking for directions but it still feels weird. . . it's a similar feeling to, say, the first few times you pee in your wetsuit while out surfing - it's so ingrained into your psyche to not pee in your clothes that it's hard to do at first. . .

    btw, in prague there *are* plainclothes "control" officers (complete with a wallet badge that looks like a toy) who check to see if you've got a ticket for the tram/bus/metro. . .
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 03, 2003 @03:35AM (#5422579)
    But the problem is that now scammers have economic influence, which is much worse than stupid people having economic influence.

    This is why stupid people should be protected by legislation to some extent - otherwise they can become tools of the dishonest.

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