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Google vs. Boilerplate Activism 277

ArmorFiend writes with this NYTimes article which "details the efforts of journalists to discern real reader-written letters from boilerplate form letters. Seems like there should be a centralized searchable DB of letters to the editor."
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Google vs. Boilerplate Activism

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  • Silly (Score:5, Interesting)

    by unterderbrucke ( 628741 ) <unterderbrucke@yahoo.com> on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:02PM (#5169777)
    Boilerplate activism is one of the greatest inventions ever. As the head of a non-profit group based in NY (can't say which, legal reasons), it is tremendously easy to provide a boilerplate to people concerned about issues rather than make them write an individual letter.

    If we were to make them write an individual letter, with the state our society has collectively fallen into, I'd estimate about 2-3% of the current correspondence mailed would still be mailed.
  • by Moorlock ( 128824 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:04PM (#5169794) Homepage

    There are so many vulnerabilities to the news media's meme filters. Check out the list at sniggle.net [sniggle.net] for instance.

    In this arms race, like that with copy protection and access restriction schemes, the advantage is all in favor of the clever crackers I think.

    When form letters get well-filtered, algorithmically-generated letters a la the Dada Engine [google.com] will step up to the plate. From there, the race will be on.

  • Re:Silly (Score:3, Interesting)

    by EatHam ( 597465 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:04PM (#5169795)
    While I'm not sure if I would call boilerplate activish one of the greatest inventions ever, I do think that it has its place. However, I also think that the people reading these things would begin to notice if they receive thousands of identical letters. Therefore, I think that these things have the potential to become self-trivializing without any other help.
  • Re:Silly (Score:2, Interesting)

    by princessheacock ( 620527 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:07PM (#5169807) Homepage
    But I can see why they are going to take more seriously opinions that a person takes the time to think about rather than just signing their name to the end of a pre-generated letter and sending it along.

    It's kind of like the difference between a letter and a card.

    There is more care and attention when someone thinks their own words through than just copy and paste another's.
  • Drum n' Bayesian (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Nathan Ramella ( 629875 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:10PM (#5169822) Homepage
    Why not take it a step further, have it check the database and filter out the noise?
  • by Donut ( 128871 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:10PM (#5169824)
    Here [lileks.com] is a guy using google to find out that a journalist's "normal american citizen" source is actually an activist, and a history teacher to boot.

    Using google to fact check people is a part of life now - and I love it.

    Donut

  • Lexis-Nexis (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Cheshyre ( 43113 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:13PM (#5169836) Homepage
    As far as I know, most newspapers subscribe to Lexis-Nexis (a pay service). And I have successfully searched Lexis-Nexis for letters to the editor in the past.

    It really depends on what a particular newspaper archives.

    But, since most newspaper letter columns state that submitted letters become the property of the newspaper, there should be no copyright issues stemming from Tasini vs. NYTimes to prevent the letters from being archived.

    In other words, the information is already there; the papers just have to check it!
  • by capedgirardeau ( 531367 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:22PM (#5169899)
    I have wanted to make a quick application that searches google using an automated, user definable sub-set of words as a string of a larger work to try and find other works by an author or discover if something might be derivative of another work.

    For example:

    "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their counry"

    My app, with a user defined word sub string of 4 would first search for:

    "Now is the time"
    "is the time for"
    "the time for all"
    "time for all good"
    "for all good men"

    etc...

    until it had searched for the entire thing 4 words at a time.

    It would collect the urls of say the first 50 matches for each sub string and then correlate which urls had multiple sub strings appearing.

    The url with the most hits would likely be the document or the document the one I was analyzing came from.

    You would tune the number of words in the sub-string to try and filter out non matches or find more matches if you were not finding enough.

    That is was my quick idea for finding documents that were plagerize or maybe other works by a letter writer.

    I think with google's open api it could be done pretty easy, next free week I get I will write it maybe. Any feedback on my logic here would be appreciated of course.

    Just an idea.

    Cheers
  • Re:Boilerplate? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:25PM (#5169918)
    If writing in one's own words is such an intellectual burden that one can't be bothered to do it, can one be trusted to actually read an understand the boilerplate with which one allegedly agrees?
  • by _xeno_ ( 155264 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:26PM (#5169929) Homepage Journal
    Other people have already posted the gist of this message, but I'll try and explain better since most of them were very short. I like verbosity :)

    Basically, the issue has to do with the "Letters to the Editor" section that almost all newspapers post. These are supposed to be letters written by local people about issues they actually care enough about to write to the paper about. This is not letters to representatives to allow them to know how their constituants feel.

    From the article: "Editors say some readers simply do not understand the ethical issues of sending a letter written by someone else." These are real editors, not the techno-weenies we have around here :). They want to post what people actually feel and actually wrote to encourage discussion and thought with their readers. They do not want to post press releases from various organizations.

    Think of it this way. Microsoft creates a "Post a Windows is Secure Comment Generator" on their webpage and encourages Windows administrators to use it to automatically submit comments and stories to Slashdot, Kuro5hin, and other community sites. Most people I think would call that trolling or at the very least dishonest. This is a similar thing - groups are creating forms that allow someone to just sign it and send it into the paper. The person signing the form may agree with the statement, but it's not something that they actually wrote and does not deserve to be published. It's kind of like spamming a forum - allowing people to easily send many letters to the editor without actually thinking about it.

    So the editors are moderating the forum of incoming letters and selecting the letters that they feel are most worthy to be shown to the populace at large - letters written by people that actually feel the urge to write their opinions on a given topic and not someone who agrees enough to send a form-letter to a newspaper.

    I agree with what they are doing - they are performing their duties as editors by trying to ensure that only letters written by people who feel strongly enough to actually compose a letter are actually published in the paper. This isn't like when the Bush administration ignored 70% of received comments because "they were form letters" - this is editting a paper. The paper tries to display views from all sides of an issue and wants to post views by actual local readers, and not by national orginizations. It's what the editors (of the paper :)) are supposed to be doing.

  • Re:Silly (Score:3, Interesting)

    by m0rph3us0 ( 549631 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:29PM (#5169949)
    Boilerplate Activism vs. Petitions I think what these people mean to do is setup a petition, this is where one person writes their ideas and others sign in stating that they agree instead of pretending that these are the words of their own. What you can do is send the petition in to a paper once you have collected enough signatures. And the paper can choose to print the petition and then mention that X number of people signed it.
  • by Snowhare ( 263311 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:35PM (#5169977)
    Politicians and other public figures use some rules of thumb about letter writing campaigns that let them gauge the issue's importance to their people 'back home'. One of those rules is that there are X times more people with an opinion than the number of letter writers for each type of letter recieved.

    These rules have different levels for 'letters to the editor', 'email to my congresscritter' and 'handwritten letter to my congresscritter'.

    What the boilerplate shops are trying to do is 'game' those rules for judging the importance of letters: They lower the threshold for sending a letter (thus making the X factor smaller) while convincing the target that it belongs to a category with a larger X factor. Thus the target believes that the issue is significantly more important to his constituency than it actually is.

    This is the basic dishonesty of boilerplate letter campaigns.
  • Re:Silly (Score:5, Interesting)

    by MrEd ( 60684 ) <`ten.liamliah' `ta' `godenot'> on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:37PM (#5169990)
    Contrariwise, when I was volunteering for the Kingston Green Party (Ontario (Canada)) doing public awareness work about herbicide/pesticide issues the local paper recieved numerous pro-chemicals letters from 'concerned citizens'.

    Upon closer inspection we discovered that they were industry astroturfers mailing in from out of town. They were writing pro-pesticide letters to any local paper that was covering the issues.


    This leads me to believe that this type of misrepresentation goes on all the time. I would be in favor of any technology that would either allow editors to check on the legitimacy of letters or, if they were not so inclined, at least aid after-the-press detective work.

  • by yoz ( 3735 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:38PM (#5170002) Homepage
    I'm a volunteer for a UK site that enables citizens to fax/email their Member of Parliament [faxyourmp.com]. We are a non-profit organisation that exists because (a) we think being able to contact one's elected representative through the net is important and (b) Parliament, being the technophobic fools that they are, still haven't got around to implementing a real equivalent.

    Boilerplate form letters are a major threat to our service. Part of our FAQ pleads with users on the topic:

    If you're a pressure group, please think about what you're doing. If you encourage all your members to write to the same MP, you will not show that MP the depth of support for your issue. You'll simply have used up a few sheets of tax-funded fax paper, and irritated an underpaid secretary or researcher. And if you encourage them all to send the same rote letter, MPs will just assume you have a nasty little man with a photocopier blasting them out from your office, and ignore you even more than they did before.

    We consider the use of form letters to be an abuse of our service. Not only does it have the problems outlined above, but the effectiveness of our service depends on MPs' willingness to read messages sent from us - we are not an officially sanctioned communication method. If they consider us a source of pointless spam, then legitimate messages will be ignored too.

    As a result, when we're made aware of form letters going through our system, we add code to block them.

    Thus, I find it quite mystifying when I see party politicians espousing the benefits of boilerplate activism. Either they haven't thought about what'll happen when they start being spammed by supposedly-legitimate communications from their constituents, or they're ignoring their constituents anyway.

    -- Yoz
  • Re:Boilerplate? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by rthille ( 8526 ) <web-slashdot@@@rangat...org> on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:38PM (#5170003) Homepage Journal
    If I care about an issue enough to click a link in an email sent to me by a group I belong to, I care about the issue. Or at least I think the people running the group I belong to care about the same issues that I do, so I'm willing to say I care about their issues. Regardless of whether I read the letter "I'm sending".
    On the other hand, if I sit down and write out a letter in cursive or block letters by hand, put it in an envelope and pay $0.37 to mail it to the editor it's likely the issue is something I really do care about.
    Sure, I _might_ care about the two different issues just as much. But how much I care sure shows more in the later case.
  • by Alien54 ( 180860 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:42PM (#5170032) Journal
    there are a number of firms that will do hand written letters to politicians for a price. [for example Pin Point Communications [pinpointc.com]]

    they range all over the place from small outfits to the monstrous.

    So this thing of carbon copy letters is really the mark of an political script kiddy. A pro would be able to get unique mail written every time.

  • by yoz ( 3735 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:47PM (#5170063) Homepage
    As the head of a non-profit group based in NY (can't say which, legal reasons), it is tremendously easy to provide a boilerplate to people concerned about issues rather than make them write an individual letter.

    As a volunteer for a non-profit site in the UK that does its best to encourage democracy [faxyourmp.com], I can say that form (boilerplate) letters are a major threat to the effectiveness of our service and thus we block them whenever possible.

    I have ranted elsewhere about this in this /. thread: see here [slashdot.org].

    The time and money resources that editors and politicians devote to reading communications is finite. I beg you to think about the individually-crafted letters written by authors without your publicity machines (organisational or mechanical) that you are blocking with your spam.

    -- Yoz
  • by Petrox ( 525639 ) <pp502.nyu@edu> on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:50PM (#5170075) Homepage
    In the summer and fall of 2000, I worked in the press office of a high profile congressional race (Washington's 1st Congressional District, where Microsoft resides, in fact). Part of my job included trying to get as many letters in support of my candidate published in the dozen area papers as possible. I was quite successful in getting letters published without ever having to form letters. Here's how:

    From among all of our campaign volunteers, I gathered a group of people specially interested in helping out with our media efforts. I had a core media volunteer list of about 75 people. Every week, I would send an email to these people with talking points for these letters and addresses for the papers I hoped them to send their letter to. Every time, without fail, that I sent out these talking points four or five letters would be published within a week. I think the reason I had such success was because I can't write letters as well as the collective efforts of 75 people. If the issue is education, a volunteer teacher will always write a better and more viable letter than me. If the issue is Social Security, a retiree will have a more impassioned response than any 20 year old could ever hope.

    So in the end, I think form letters are a way of cheating. They discourage people from calling upon their own experiences in writing letters and getting involved in issues. With a carefully selected pool of volunteers, it's not very difficult to get letters published.
  • by Buran ( 150348 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @06:51PM (#5170082)
    Hmm. True. Perhaps they should allude to the fact that there were lots of letters on the issue which could not be printed, to make it known that there was support, but this way they wouldn't reprint the 'bad' letters.
  • by alansz ( 142137 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @07:01PM (#5170144) Homepage
    Give a particular topic of letter, this problem isn't too different than looking for spam vs. ham, and can be approached in similar ways (e.g. Bayesian filter).

    Actually, you probably could do quite well identifying boilerplate by simply dropping all punctuations, spaces, and capitalized words, and then computing a hash (say, md5) over every even letter and over every odd letter. If either hash matches either hash of another letter, that should
    be a very specific indication of boilerplating.

    These still require a corpus of letters, though, or a way to generate one from a search.
  • Re:Google (Score:3, Interesting)

    by kmellis ( 442405 ) <kmellis@io.com> on Monday January 27, 2003 @07:09PM (#5170182) Homepage
    "The story mentions Google once and only really as a secondary topic (if that), and it put in the Slashdot story title?"
    On that basis, it does seem that its legitimacy as a Slashdot story is tenuous. However, I read a variety of stories about this yesterday, and learned more detail. This was discovered as the result of a Google search (supposedly, although I'm not sure how that could have been accidental), and other instances of the same thing continue to be discovered through the use of Google as a research tool. Now, Google is the only (good, comprehensive enough) tool publicly available that could have served for this purpose. Nexis/Lexis would be much better (and I wonder why no one who has access hasn't pursued this story there yet), but it's quite expensive and not generally accessible.

    So, in general, I think the story is appropriate because it's an example of how the Internet yet again is an enabling tool of democracy. It further enabled (what I consider) abuse; and it enabled the ability to detect it.

  • Good (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mao che minh ( 611166 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @07:09PM (#5170184) Journal
    The widespread use of a boilerplate speaks volumes as to how generally accepted it's containined opinion is. The more concerned citizens using the same boilerplate, the more that this-or-that issue means to the community at large (or better yet, your reader base).
  • by johndiii ( 229824 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @07:12PM (#5170200) Journal
    If the "not their own words" exclusion applies, what happens if the writer used a spell checker, thesaurus, or grammar checker? What about some kind of intelligent assistant that can suggest phrases?

    For the "boilerplate activists", it should not be too hard to produce some kind of program that would vary the phrasing enough to avoid content-matching filters.

    So, how do we distinguish between a person's opinion and the expression of that opinion? I would be interested to hear some suggestions, but I'm not sure that it is reasonably possible.
  • by ultramk ( 470198 ) <{ultramk} {at} {pacbell.net}> on Monday January 27, 2003 @07:13PM (#5170204)
    *gasp* an activist, how horrible! Even worse, a history teacher? The bastard! (obviously part of the intellectual elite, and we know what they can get up to; i.e. communism and whatnot) That's next door to terrorism!

    I mean, come on. Aren't people allowed to have opinions anymore? Besides, that guy (the history teacher) makes a lot of sense, (IMO, of course) and that doesn't require a teaching position.

    Who is the guy complaining? [lileks.com] A newspaper guy and former talk radio-show host. I quote:

    "I work in journalism, but I'm not a journalist - that title is best reserved for people who do the hard work of calling up sources, checking leads, and other forms of diligent labor. I make things up, really."

    Yeah, lots better than a history teacher.

    M-
  • Because, hey, everyone knows that all history teachers are seasoned propagandists, and none of them have any political concerns of their own. Heaven forfend that they might on a personal level disagree with me.

    And, by the Gods, if someone dares to comment personally on a subject which they feel strongly enough about to get involved with other organisations to support it...
    And not even for pay! The perfidy!

    By comparison, the tendancy of large or fanatic organisations to write a single letter and send it via ten thousand drones in the hope of astro-turfing the debate... merely a pecadillo, almost beneath comment!

  • by Ovidius ( 144915 ) on Monday January 27, 2003 @10:38PM (#5171510) Homepage

    OK. They used to, though. I did it for a while before (*gasp*) email (1990-91?) and they would send sample letters which I, and many people I bet, often copied with minimal changes (they were good letters!).

    I wonder if they stopped because it was too easy for too many people to send exactly the same letter? I mean in (*gasp*) the old days even if you were copying it you were still writing it with your hands or typing it with your fingers so why not make a few small changes anyway? But now I'm sure a lot of people would just cut-n-paste.

  • by norton_I ( 64015 ) <hobbes@utrek.dhs.org> on Monday January 27, 2003 @11:31PM (#5171812)
    Well, letting people know it is wrong, for one. Convince organizations to stop encrouraging it, for another. Treat it as a social problem, first, and a technological problem second.

    I think most people genuinely want to be honest, they just don't realize how big of a difference there is between submitting a letter that is their own vs. one that they agree with but didn't write.

    Another idea: have a nice, friendly "so you want to write a letter to the editor" message in the opinion section and online that explains not only how to submit a letter to the editor, but how to go about writing one, suggests sources to look for information, that sort of thing. Sort of a 2 minute quick-start guide to writing that encourages people to read opinion statements from organizations supporting their cause fpr style guidance, but to write in their own words how they feel.
  • by DeanOh ( 61485 ) on Tuesday January 28, 2003 @03:25AM (#5172791)
    I have personal experience with a (surprisingly supportive) congressional response to an issue of interest (that included bill proposals in both houses) during the 106th Congress. The letters I send to my representative and senators were my own words (tm): but they were prepared with a word processor and prepared with attention to format as if they were professional correspondence (and because this legislation had a significant impact on a recurring military pension payemnt, I guess you could consider it that). They also ended up published or quoted in major DC and Baltimore newspapers.

    Response summary: Letters to my two equally clueless senators responded in riduculous form letters that indicated the letters were barely read, let alone given any significant attention by the staff. One form letter mangled my "gender" (I became a "MS"), the other response was a generic response about an issue I hadn't even addressed. My represenative's response included multiple phone calls from a staff member in his local office, including updates on the bill's markups in both houses and his record of votes.

    This unscientific survey indicates that the quality of the audience is at least as important as the quality of the letter (or maybe that GOP representatives in central MD are more responsive to their consitutents than their Democrat colleagues in the Senate). I had some beefs with some earlier legislative initiatives by my M.O.C: but he took care of business when asked. I expect that a hastily jotted note would have received little attention from either the print media or poltical audiences involved..

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