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KPNQwest Files for Bankruptcy 189

ives writes "Today KPNQwest filed for bankruptcy. KPNQwest owns the most important fibre backbone in Europe. Apparently they are not planning on switching off their network, but without maintenance it will probably slowly degrade. The official press release can be found here."
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KPNQwest Files for Bankruptcy

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  • by Clue4All ( 580842 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @03:13PM (#3618949) Homepage
    How are they going to pay for the lines or electricity that their network runs on, to say nothing of maintenance?
  • US Buyout? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by TibbonZero ( 571809 ) <Tibbon@@@gmail...com> on Friday May 31, 2002 @03:14PM (#3618959) Homepage Journal
    Perhaps some US company that is looking to expand it's presence overseas (Like AOL) might buy the backbone. Just a possiblity

  • Shit (Score:4, Interesting)

    by KinkyClown ( 574788 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @03:15PM (#3618966)
    This is weird: I have to read this first on a foreign website! I am Dutch myself...
  • No maintenance? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sniepre ( 517796 ) <sniepre@gmail.com> on Friday May 31, 2002 @03:15PM (#3618969) Homepage
    I have a strong suspicion, that lack of maintenance is not the primary danger that the network would face, but rather the fact that if anyone chooses to own the network up, or do some *experimental routing* that there is nothing that would be done about it!

    Hacker paradise! :D
  • Who is next. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by BagOBones ( 574735 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @03:15PM (#3618970)
    I keep hearing about all this unused fiber here in canada.. Wonder how much money is being lost on it.. I don't think any of the companies here will go under, most of the fiber is owned by large divers telacom /cable companies here..
  • The Register story (Score:2, Interesting)

    by xmedar ( 55856 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @03:17PM (#3618983)
  • by mfago ( 514801 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @03:25PM (#3619029)
    "... without maintenance it will probably slowly degrade..."
    From experience, KPNQuest has been slacking off for quite some time. Someone please just put them out of their misery and try to clean up the mess.
  • letting it explode (Score:4, Interesting)

    by LinuxGeek8 ( 184023 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @03:57PM (#3619217) Homepage
    It's just that KPN and Qwest do not want to invest much more money in KPNQwest.
    So the plan might be to just let it explode, buy the remaining assets, and start a new company.

    That's a likely scenario here in Holland.
    It is what happened to DAF (trucks) and other companies.
    They go broke, and in the same time they start a new company with the bought assets of the old one.
    Your debts are cleared, and the tax accountants aren't wanting money from you anymore.

    Still I expect it would cost money to buy the assets, so if they really do not want to invest anything in that network anymore, it makes my story just a wild guess.
  • by Zarhan ( 415465 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @04:01PM (#3619234)
    I've read on this [tietoviikko.com] finnish news site that KPNQwests network will be/was shut down at 17:30 BTC, and since they are currently in daylight savings time, that should mean 16:30 UTC. The article states that the source is at www.silicon.com [silicon.com], however, I couldn't find the information in there right away.

    In article, they also mention that the KPN's British offices will be/was shut down around midday. I'm not sure on whether this means today (Friday) or tomorrow (Saturday). Probably today, which meant that the network went down like four hours ago..

  • good riddance (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dunkelfalke ( 91624 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @04:02PM (#3619240)
    kpnqwest provided the backbone to a quite big german hoster - strato. i can remember that strato had failures twice a week and they always blamed kpnqwest and kpnqwest said they will get better... they didn't really.

    too bad for the employees, tho.
  • by Carnage4Life ( 106069 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @04:43PM (#3619489) Homepage Journal
    Recently on Slashdot there was an article complaining about the increasing costs of broadband [slashdot.org] yet the fact of the matter is that a large number of large telecoms are going out of business because they spent too much, too fast and make too little to keep up with their debts.

    Global Crossing [thedigest.com], PSINet [convergedigest.com], and STAR [thedigest.com] all bankrupt while WorldCom [usatoday.com], in trouble and Qwest taking a several hundred million dollar loss [usatoday.com] it looks like the number of telecommunications companies is shrinking fast and it is unclear what will happen to their networks.

    Not to be a contrarian, but this just goes to show that things aren't really black and white when it comes to the cost of broadband and in fact we may be getting it cheaply considering how much was spent building the networks.
  • by michael_cain ( 66650 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @05:01PM (#3619579) Journal

    Since you mention capping and volume limits, I'll assume you're talking about the last-mile provider. The cable and cable-modem business is the one I know the most about, so I'll do some back-of-the-envelope calculations for that. Assume for the moment that the data business has to bear all of the costs.

    The first major component of the monthly bill is the cost to construct the network. Hybrid-fiber-coax, the architecture required to operate two-way services, costs about $40,000 per mile for materials and installation. A mile of plant passes surprisingly few houses on average-- call it 100 for ease of calculation. Assume 20% of houses passed subscribe to the data service, and the construction cost per subscriber is $2,000. If the company wants to get its construction costs back in five years (we'll ignore issues of interest and risk for the moment), the monthly revenue needed is $33.33. There's some head-end equipment (a cable-modem termination system costs about $30,000) but those are spread over a lot more subscribers. Call it $35/month to pay for the network itself.

    Now consider other recurring monthly expenses. There's the billing system that generates monthly bills for millions of subscribers. There's the customer-care systems. There's the salaries for the people who maintain the equipment and answer the phones. There's the rent/electric/sewer/etc for the space where those people work. There are indirect costs associated with those employees-- if you have 5,000 employees who operate the network and take care of the customers, you need a personnel office, a finance office, etc. This type of cost can easily run to $20/month per subscriber.

    You need connections to the larger Internet. An OC-12 (600 Mbps) connected to somebody's backbone costs about $120,000/month, and you need one of those for approximately every 60,000 subscribers. That's another $2/month per subscriber. There are a bunch of "little" costs like that, let's guess that they add up to $5/month per subscriber.

    When you set out to do this on a large scale and in a short period of time, you have to borrow an enormous amount of money. The people who loan it to you want interest. Comcast is buying AT&T Broadband, with 16M subscribers (counting video and telephony subs as well as cable-modem subs) and assuming $20B in debt. With an average interest rate of 7.5%, the monthly interest payment works out to around $7.80/month per subscriber. Add all that up and you have a total of about $67.80/month.

    To be honest, not all of the network construction costs should be charged to the data service, and the billing system and personnel are spread across other services as well. Even so, an allocated cost of $40/month for data service is not a bad estimate, and that doesn't include anything for profit.

  • by hollow_man ( 24346 ) on Friday May 31, 2002 @06:10PM (#3619961) Homepage
    bollocks.

    We're not going dark, we're pretty much guaranteeing the core will stay lit till monday morning when the administrator will start in Brussels, even then we're not saying it will go dark. What will happen on monday depends on the administrator.

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