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GNU is Not Unix

New GNU Hurd Kernel Released 419

Anonymous Coward writes "I don't know if there is much interest out there, but GNU Mach Kernel 1.3 was just released a couple days ago. (May 28)." Looking forward to that 2002 release...
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New GNU Hurd Kernel Released

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  • by gowen ( 141411 ) <gwowen@gmail.com> on Thursday May 30, 2002 @11:51AM (#3609703) Homepage Journal
    Its called the GNU/GNU Hurd, because its part of the GNU/System
  • by matithyahu ( 560061 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @11:52AM (#3609717)
    That RMS will stop bugging everyone about calling it GNU/Linux though
  • excellent (Score:3, Funny)

    by tps12 ( 105590 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @11:56AM (#3609747) Homepage Journal
    I have been looking forward to this. Last quarter I migrated our entire server farm from a Linux/BSD/Windows ME combination (talk about support nightmares!) to Hurd, and I haven't looked back. The changelog [gnu.org] promises new drivers (yum!) as well as support for files > 17MB and protected memory. It doesn't get any sweeter than this.

    For those still using legacy systems, a little background: the GNU Hurd is the official GNU microkernel. Because it's smaller than Linux, you get faster I/O at the cost of greater instability, a tradeoff most sysadmins are quick to take.

    I've used it in a production-level enterprise environment, at home on the desktop, and even on my palmtop. Even my grandmother can do the base install. This is truly the wave of the future.
  • by InterruptDescriptorT ( 531083 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:00PM (#3609779) Homepage
    ...that the numbers given for each release (1.0, 1.3, 1.4, etc.) aren't version numbers. It's actually the average number of kernel panics per minute for this particular release.

    But seriously, I've tried the Hurd, and while I can appreciate the work that's being done on it and its goals and aims, it's just not stable enough for everyday use. I'll just stick to 2.2.16 for the time being until I am convinced that there is a more stable kernel or until the Hurd matures a bit more.
  • by Rhubarb Crumble ( 581156 ) <r_crumble@hotmail.com> on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:00PM (#3609782) Homepage
    Its called the GNU/GNU Hurd, because its part of the GNU/System

    Well, since GNU is already recursive, obviously it should be used recursively as well. You should probably add a "GNU/" for each compile since it was compiled with gcc. So by now it's (\Pi_0^{\infty} GNU/)Hurd, that's GNU/GNU/GNU/GNU/[...]/GNU/Hurd...

    Of course, you can probably run a (or any number of) virtual hurd(s) on a hurd system, so it would be GNU/GNU/[...]/GNU/GNU/Hurd/Hurd/[...]/Hurd/Hurd.

    Oh, and microkernels seem to be out of fashion again...but who really cares about technical details when we can poke fun at RMS instead!

  • by mccalli ( 323026 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:06PM (#3609832) Homepage
    Large disks (>= 10GB)

    Reminds me of a book I used to have, "Programming 68000 Assembler". This excellent book was obviously written by an old cynic, and aged very well. However, it did contain the immortal line:

    "Today's powerful Unix systems often contain as much as 256k of memory"

    Yes. k. Not Gig. Not even Meg. k.

    Aah, for the good old days when programmers were programmers and a complete game of Chess could be fitted into a 1k ZX81. Hmmm, on second thoughts - maybe not.

    Cheers,
    Ian

  • by broody ( 171983 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:15PM (#3609901)
    At best this is a bad joke.

    "Who's the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?" -Ben Kenobi
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:16PM (#3609910)
    I don't understand for the life of me, why they didn't make the Mach kernel Open Source. Don't they realize that with the help of the Open Source community and the envied work ethic, this kernel can be used in a lot of systems.

    I can see this being used in embedded banking systems that process mortgage planning calculations. That's the way of the future!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:36PM (#3610031)
    Hurd stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons". And Hird stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth".

    However, to appease RMS, Hird should stand for "GNU/Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth". Which means it's really "Ghird". So now, Hurd is "Ghird of Unix-Replacing Daemons"... Ghurd. But now, Hird is "Gghird" and Hurd is "Gghurd" making it Ggghird and Ggghurd...

    So, from now on, please refer to Hurd as GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGhurd.
  • by Innominate Recreant ( 557409 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:39PM (#3610049)
    "I do care about 3d modelling"

    Don't fret. Stallman is very much into modelling [stallman.org]

  • by forgoil ( 104808 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:40PM (#3610054) Homepage
    My math skills are far from what they used to be, but something divided by the same thing becomes one. Hence Gnu/Gnu = 1, so it should be 1 Hurd. And who cares about that 1 anyways? So it's should be Hurd.

    Ok, I'm dumb. So reply me ^_~
  • by vinay ( 67011 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:42PM (#3610078) Homepage
    do you think rms would be pissed if people started using HURD, but kept calling it linux?
  • by rknop ( 240417 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:46PM (#3610099) Homepage

    My math skills are far from what they used to be, but something divided by the same thing becomes one. Hence Gnu/Gnu = 1, so it should be 1 Hurd. And who cares about that 1 anyways? So it's should be Hurd.

    But if there's only 1, it's hardly a Hurd. It's probably just one Bison. But GNU bison has been around forever, so why is any of this news?

    -Rob

  • finally! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Dr. Awktagon ( 233360 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @12:51PM (#3610153) Homepage

    Support for the terminal speeds B57600 and B115200 has been added.

    Now I can use my new 56k modem! Pretty soon, every ISP will be using this fast new speed of modem, it will be cool! Gopher's gonna FLY on this baby!

    Okay just kidding, glad to see HURD is still alive. I remember first reading about it long ago and thinking, hey, finally a modern OS. But here I am still using a monolithic kernel after all these years, and it works just fine. Good luck to the HURD folks, maybe my kids will use it. :-)

  • Gnu/Hurd (Score:1, Funny)

    by rnb ( 471088 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @01:26PM (#3610456)
    Instead of saying Gnu/Hurd, how about Gnurd?

    (rimshot)
  • by powerlinekid ( 442532 ) on Thursday May 30, 2002 @01:28PM (#3610472)
    This always makes me laugh... oh that Linus. Anyway, no karma whoring have 50 anyway.

    Which is a completely idiotic idea, and which is only just another example
    of how absolutely and stunningly _stupid_ Hurd is.


    Later on...


    Trust me. The people who came up with MAP_COPY were stupid. Really. It's
    an idiotic concept, and it's not worth implementing.

    And this all for what is a administration bug in the first place.

    In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won't end up like the Hurd
    people.


    All by Linus found here lkml [216.239.33.100]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 30, 2002 @01:50PM (#3610654)
    Linus has told the GNU people OVER AND OVER AND OVER again...

    Don't call it GNU Herd.

    It should be called "Linux/GNU Herd" to honor all the hard work that Linus has done...

  • by TaxSlave ( 23295 ) <lockjaw.lockjawslair@com> on Thursday May 30, 2002 @03:19PM (#3611378) Homepage Journal

    True, but as far as I can tell from the posts, Hurd=0.

    No GNUs is good GNUs.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 30, 2002 @03:20PM (#3611381)
    Fact is, HURD is nothing but a joke and most people know it. Didn't you read any of the other comments attached to this story?

    The issue here is that they are engaging in intellectual masturbation while pretending to work on an OS.
  • by halivar ( 535827 ) <bfelger@nOsPAm.gmail.com> on Thursday May 30, 2002 @03:46PM (#3611624)
    Why not just save time?

    [GNU/]+GNU HURD[/HURD]*

    Which is your favorite: additive or multiplicative closure?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 30, 2002 @09:22PM (#3614365)
    Oh yes what a stud!

    Low user id, .edu website at an institution out of range of working class families, references to such mysterious and obviously important things as CLR, criticism of US Middle East policy, how worldly, links to FreeBSD's website, high browed plea for intellectual discourse...

    Oh yes what a man indeed. I am thoroughly turned on, my animal desires burn with the need to produce offspring with this man of such obvious stature in the community.

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