Journal On Lawn's Journal: Genesis as Kindergarten Science:: Day 1 19
Cosmology has nothing to say so far, except agreeing there is no dimension or substance or life, but if there was a casual observer that could exist in these circumstances the emotions provided in the preceding verses would suffice for our kindergartners.
But Cosmology has a lot to say about the next verse,
And said God, "Let there be light", and there was light.
We turn on the lights in the room at God's que, and finally the first material on the stage is light itself. It continues on the emotion of getting to work, like when we enter into a room where we intend to do work we first turn on the light, or if we sit at a desk to do work we turn on the light to that desk. Something a five year old could certainly relate to.
This is interesting because in a system of study where predictability is the measure of how good a concept is, like we have in science, this starts out with something we can make an observable prediction for. The Big Bang, the spark of light that started everything, is a scientific theory created from and expectation made from the positer's personal theology. If you want to learn more about this many others have treated this topic of the Big Bang Theory and its creator, Father Georges Lemaître. After the initial spark, the work commences with division.
God Saw the light was just right, and then God divided between the light and darkness
We have light distinct and in opposition to the preceding dimensionless darkness.
Since contriving the big bang theory as a flash of light, cosmology gives us an even fuller view of a universe was filled with light thick and tangible like soup for hundreds of thousands of years, something similar to what goes on inside stars today. This is a plasma which not only generates light, but light keeps bouncing off of. It can take X years for light to reach the surface of the Sun, and inside it is a plasma all filled with light. This is one reason why it may be just as possible to construct a Genesis narrative over the big bang and the creation of just our solar system. But we continue with the Big Bang which not only supplies light, but space and expansion.
I don't know how to preserve this simile as well as Genesis does in abstraction, but I wish I could. But if I were to make it avideo I would do it by visually drawing on the similar picture that the big bang and the initial spark of our solar system would have.
But moving on to the expansion, which gives us dimensional space to have light before we even have the emptiness of "outer space". Pv=NRT still applies, so the expanding universe quickly cools the plasma until it becomes regular gas and is no longer hot enough to make light. So you have this moment of universal twilight as what is white hot subdues to a dull red and eventually extinguishes into darkness. Whatever caused the universe to expand in the first place caused darkness separate from the light.
The twilight from that first plasma is still seen as cosmic background microwave light.
Such is the morning, day, twilight and eventually night of the first day.
And called God the light day, and the darkness he called night. There was the evening and there was the morning -- day one.
What a load of (Score:2)
ignorant bullshit.
Cosmology has nothing to say so far, except agreeing there is no dimension or substance or life
It says nothing of the sort.
Did this com from a 'bible studies' cUrriculum?
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No it did not come from a Bible study curriculum.
As far as my best understanding of physics, our mathematical models start applying in degrees of verifiability from complete conjecture to solid Standard Model only after the big bang.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only thing we know about the state of of the universe at the BB was from Hawking, who showed it started from a singularity, who showed it was the same mathematically an undefinable state that Einstein defined a singularity as.
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Well, Fr. Lemaitre was obviously inspired by his Jesuit faith, so kind of. Hawking is just a science promoter, not a science originator.
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He's more of a mathematician theoretician than a scientist in my book.
He's done some brilliant mathematical hacks to come up with some very interesting theories. For instance, creating a boundary layer and applying different mathematical theories on both sides to come up with the idea of Hawking Radiation from black holes. And that has met with some observations as well ... https://phys.org/news/2021-02-... [phys.org]
But like the hack itself, the observable evidence requires us to squint our eyes a bit to see past all
Religious spam on Slashdot (Score:2)
But it's all crap.
Which editor put this on the front page?
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Wait, stop ... this made it to the front page?
I like your signature.
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If this journal entry hadn't been on my front page (specifically the "Firehose"), I wouldn't have seen it.
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I don't think the Firehose is that particular. You just must have seen it at the right time. I don't remember interacting with you before either. But it is nice to meet you either way.
Since this is a journal, consider it a friendly place and my own personal journey instead of a new direction for /.
Its kind of like going back to a childhood playground and seeing all the old neighborhood friends for me.
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About 10 years ago, a change was made to slashcode that puts all journal entries in the firehose, I've even had a couple voted to the front page.
This isn't one that made it AFAIK, but I haven't been online enough to actually notice.
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I don't think I've ever tried - how long do journal entries remain commentable? One thing that irks me about the main site is the way that, once you get into a conversation, the subject gets archived and you have to drop it.
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About two weeks, if I remember correctly. I've had a few long-running debates end just as they were getting interesting. I believe the engine for the main page and the journal entries is the same code, with just a tag in a separate table in the back end database. Anyway, that's the way it worked the last time I looked at the "open source slashdot" code back in, I think, 2001? Might have changed since then.
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Anyway - a good couple of hours done today on my "science notes" pages. I've nearly got up-to-date on the bits of the firehose I try to keep up on. Time to have a beer!
Why are you here? (Score:3)
I'm pretty sure there are lots of places on the Internet for people who believe in fairy tales to share and reinforce their ignorance in vigorous group think.
Slashdot is not one of them.
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I've actually been here for a quarter of a century. It's amazing it is still around. I was using Linux before it was 1.0, and even had a patch accepted to the kernel but not the mainstream kernel. I haven't played a major part in the OSS movement, but I've been fairly involved.
To understand what I'm up to in this series you need to read my previous journal entries. The tldr; is that in an unexpected way Genesis has the drama, snappy pacing, and language that would work very well with 5 year olds learning sc
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I don't find it unexpected....it is after all a series of poetical allegories describing what people knew at the time, and much of our current understanding of cosmology is extremely influenced by the faith of the past, starting with the entire idea that the world is intelligible to begin with. After all, if the atheists were right and it was all random, there'd be no patterns to discover, and likely not even enough organization in the universe for life to exist.
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I've seen a lot of creation myths over the years, and the Genesis account is remarkable in how free it is from personifications or explaining how things came about through social circumstance. I think that is one reason it holds up as well as it does.
For instance in the nearly related Babylonian myths, people were an afterthought and a nuisance. Instead of waters representing dragons, it was dragons representing waters. Genesis has its own MCU llike moments, but far less than any other creation myth that I
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Bullshit, there's been plenty of left and right wing and atheist fairy tales posted to slashdot over the past 28 years.