Journal zogger's Journal: Disarming the enemies of the state 3
You know the "no fly" list? This is the list of "suspected terrorists" who are not allowed to fly, or subjected to extra scrutiny etc. Pretty much anyone on the list (I forget the number but it is in the hundreds of thousands by all reports) is presumed guilty by default, and it is near impossible to get off the list if once accused. It is a punishment, without benefit of a trial, or public accusation until you try to fly. You cannot face your accusers in a court of law, nor be judged by your peers, or even be given the information of why and how and by whom you got on this list, so perhaps you could dispute it. In short, it is an "enemies of the state" list, pretty close to being totally tyrannical, just one step away from them being proactive like they are in some nations with "disappearing" people, with the death squads. I mean, that is *exactly* what comes, sooner or later but it always comes, after they start compiling these "lists". Still in force today during this latest regime rule. To *me* one of the more blatantly unconstitutional and just plain wrong and dangerous things out there now as regards this government.
Now they have a senate bill which will place these unaccused convicted in advance "enemies of the state" on the "no guns" list as well. The "star chamber" military junta enemies of the state list.
Now the bill technically doesn't mention the "no fly" list, but that is exactly what the no fly list is, secretly accused/suspected/annoyed the wrong person/mistaken identity list all inclusive, labeled as terrorists or suspected terrorists, so this is presumably the list they would use for this new act, if it passes and gets signed into law. And again, just like the no flying list, the people who find themselves on it can be denied for any reason, etc, at best, perhaps get a total redacted out document which still won't explain what they are accused of, etc. Just a big fat "no" in other words. No trial, no nothing, just the government says no and you are SOL.
One of the few main reasons I totally reject flying anymore on the commercial airliners, I just slap refuse to countenance that illegal charade. I wouldn't hand them people a penny for a round the world first class flight, nor be subjected to that ridiculous security theater and boot licking and groveling you have to do just to travel. I had wished tens of millions of my fellow citizens had done similar, just boycotted air travel, but it seems it is accepted now, along with that star chamber list, and I think that is a dang crying shame, and
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Well said, ... (Score:2)
...that's exactly what it is. Too bad a neo-Con administration began us down the road to fascism that the Left already wanted to take us down anyways. What a gift.
Not only is it unconstitutional (Score:3, Insightful)
It's monumentally stupid. Not only would it apply to the no-fly list, it would apply to the FBI's terrorist watch list as well. People on that list aren't supposed to know they're on it.
So if a real terrorist wants to know if he's on the government's radar, he can just try to buy a gun. If he gets denied, he knows that he's been compromised and can hand off his duties to someone else. If he passes the NICS check, he knows that he's all clear to move ahead with whatever his plot may be, knowing that nobody is wise to him.
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That's what they want you to think :) .. if they're after bigger fish, they'll let you through to lead them there. Hilarity often ensues when two different agencies busts each others' "investigations".
Who told you this guy was in here?
Nobody. I just know what kind of woman he likes. Going to check all the joy houses till I find him.
Oh, well maybe I could help you, if you tell me his name.
I doubt it. Which way are the rooms?
Right through there. But I wouldn't go in there if I were you.
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