Chacham's Journal: Verbiage: Comment modded as flaimbait, starts thread.

Thanx to Stoolpigeon for
notifying me of this comment in Was the 2004 Election Stolen?, which i had forgotten was a front-page story.

It was marked as flaimbait (the messaging system told me of another -1 which was revoked) but it started a nice thread, mostly from this comment by ThreeE, also modded as flaimbait, who seems to like trolling.

For some reason it just makes me laugh.

Heh. (<== New laugh. The aforementioned laugh, which was also "Heh", was not transcribed here. Or, at least i think so.)

Wow

[cptgrudge]

I can feel the heat from here.

So, why was #6 bogus?

[benhocking]

I don't tend to give much stock to conspiracy theories, but this one does have more legs than any other conspiracy theory I've heard in my life time. I assume you support the idea that there should be a paper trail for any voting machine, though, right?

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[Chacham]

Yeah, no problem with that.

My main issue was the article said things with certainty. Those "certain" things did not seem to be represented in the article. They were at best inferred by the article from people questioned.

One thing that they don't take into account

[Timex]

I haven't read through all the posts, but there's one point that everyone in that thread seem to be missing: the idea that some people that voted for Bush (either time or both times) didn't like the alternatives.

I, for one, have never thought that Bush was the "best man for the job". I like some of the things he's done (mostly in the first term), and there are many things that he's done that I don't like. The thing is that I honestly believe that Al Gore and John Kerry would have been worse choices for th

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[Chacham]

It has been my observation that since Reagan (perhaps before, but mostly since Reagan), the presidential elections have been less and less about who the American people want in office, so much as who they don't want in office.

Could be. Though, the public wanted Clinton.

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[Timex]

Though, the public wanted Clinton.

Did they? Look who he was up against.

The first time Clinton ran, he was up against Bush the Elder and H. Ross Perot. Sure, Clinton won the plurality (with 44,909,889 votes), but the majority wanted neither him nor Bush. Think about that for a minute. According to a compilation of presidential election results [infoplease.com], though Perot didn't get any electoral votes, he did manage 19,742,267 popular votes in the 1992 election, more than any other third party candidate in the history

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[Chacham]

I was thinking more on the ground. People liked him like they liked Reagan. For different reasons though.

Or at least that was what i thought i saw.

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[Timex]

Or at least that was what i thought i saw.

This is difficult to counter, because it seems rather subjective.

If I based my overall opinion of how the President was doing on the concensus around me, any Republican would be doomed to the pits of Hell from the beginning (I live in Massachusetts, where the governor is Republican only to provide a semblance of balance to the Democrat-led state legislature).

Nation-wide, it's hard to say for sure too, unless I went and saw what people thought for myself. The MSM, w

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[Chacham]

This is difficult to counter, because it seems rather subjective.

I'm not making an assertion. I'm just saying what i felt. The appropriate response is your feeling (which you expressed nicely). That's all.

Moses sided with the ten

He did not side with them.

and (in a nutshell) they had to basically wander the wilderness for the next 40 years

Next 38 years. This happened two years in, and the first two were part of the "40 years".

until everyone that was over 20 years of age had passed away

...and under 60.

[except

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[Cyberdyne]

Could be. Though, the public wanted Clinton.

Presumably the 43% who actually voted for him in 1992 did, but considering a majority of voters in both elections voted for somebody else, it seems hard to interpret that as "the public" wanting him.

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[Chacham]

Maybe. I thought i saw the feeling otherwise.