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The Open Source Summit report from the anonymous poster using the tag line "You can't handle the truth" got a crucial fact wrong -- and that fact is symbolic of a larger problem with the essay.
It was not, in fact, a guy from HP who flung at me "You've never run a business". It was one of our own; Larry McVoy, a hacker who is a sort of anti-Stallman -- he believes that unless the open-source community accepts direct-revenue-capture licenses we will all come to a horrible end.
The author seems to have filtered his view of the summit through a simplifying myth that regards hackers and businesspeople as poles apart, with all hackers on the "free software" side of the fence and all businessmen either opposed to open source or puzzled by it or out to exploit it in some sinister way.
That simplifying myth has no room in it for Larry McVoy. Nor for the half-dozen or so businesspeople in the room who really seemed to get it. The truth is, I didn't see "hackers vs. suits" at the Summit -- just a whole bunch of people trying in various ways to get a handle on a very powerful and complex phenomenon.
And you know what? Licenses, everybody's favorite subject for doctrinal warfare, *were never even discussed*. They just weren't a big issue. My sense was that everybody there understood the basic hacker-community social contract that the OSD expresses and accepted it -- *even the suits*. All the hot questions were posed at a higher level; so we've got this social contract, we know why it clobbers the hell out of closed-source methods, now what do we do with it?
Mr. "You can't handle the truth" apparently had some trouble assimilating it himself. I saw no evidence that anyone there was incapable of "getting it", and I saw no justification for alarmist fox-in-the-henhouse metaphors.
Some plain truth: businesspeople can't "crush" us because, fundamentally, they can't do *anything* to us except throw money or refrain from throwing money. They can't erase all our source archives. They can't stop tens of thousands of people from writing code every day for reasons that are outside the ken of material-scarcity economics. They can't prevent the open-source community from evolving in any cultural direction it damn well pleases. As well try to cut water with a sword...
The only way I can account for the tone of Mr. YCHTH's essay (or the less sophisticated rantings of J. Random Slashdotter) is by supposing that a lot of hackers have a sort of need to feel persecuted, a need to cast themselves as the little guy in a David vs. Goliath drama with eschatological stakes.
Reality is much more complicated than that. This Goliath (big business) hasn't got the slightest damn interest in persecuting us, he just wants to figure out how our nifty sling works. And it's safe to tell him, too, because big guys are relatively lousy with slings and we'll always be better than he is at it.
We are much more likely to "corrupt" business than it is to "corrupt" us.
- No need for one or the other by gseidman (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:45AM
- ESR's maturity. by Luis Casillas (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @01:26PM
- On topic, off topic - hehe by khaladan (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @12:43PM
- Larry McVoy? by gavinhall (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:29AM
- Larry McVoy? by gavinhall (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:30AM
- Re: Larry McVoy? by gavinhall (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:31AM
- you must be joking... by gavinhall (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:31AM
- This paradox is not here. by gavinhall (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:07AM
- you must be joking... by gavinhall (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:42AM
- On topic, off topic by jacrawf (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:56AM
- On topic, off topic - hehe by jacrawf (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @07:31PM
- ESR's maturity. by jacrawf (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @07:41PM
- Biting the hand... by Craig (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @01:30AM
- Aiieee! Lock all the doors! by Craig (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @01:56AM
- Lock all the doors (again)! by Craig (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @04:24AM
- Who's anonymous? by Craig (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @04:56AM
- Let's OPEN some doors, for a change.... by Craig (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @10:00AM
- KDE vs. GNOME by Craig (Score:1) Saturday March 13 1999, @06:50AM
- Who's anonymous? by Eccles (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @04:04AM
- Licenses by sjames (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:07AM
- Eric's position by X (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:35AM
- Keep coding, that's right by Jerky McNaughty (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:10AM
- On topic, off topic by Per Abrahamsen (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:20PM
- A word about ESR. - RMS and his sacrifice by Per Abrahamsen (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:47PM
- Naivete by Per Abrahamsen (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:53PM
- Who's anonymous? by ader (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:36PM
- Nah by shine (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:39AM
- Licenses by Jason Earl (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:33AM
- Eric's position by Jason Earl (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:45AM
- Fallacy Fest '98 -- Come one, come all! :) by nelsonrn (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @03:11AM
- Thanks for the correction & biting the hand... by randolph (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:59AM
- Many suits don't get it by Frank Sullivan (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:25AM
- Fight Red$at by Squeeze Truck (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:25AM
- Brilliant. by Squeeze Truck (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @12:13PM
- IBM by Squeeze Truck (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @12:20PM
- A word about ESR. by Squeeze Truck (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @12:29PM
- A word about ESR. - RMS and his sacrifice by Squeeze Truck (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @06:22AM
- Open source mistakes and the glass cathedral by AMK (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:11AM
- We are much more likely to "corrupt" business... by smithdog (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:54AM
- Gates and PRC have a lot in common. by smithdog (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:45AM
- Thanks for clearing the air. by smithdog (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @03:09PM
- Aren't you glad that... by yootis (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:26AM
- Bravo! by RenQuanta (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:01AM
- Eric's position by richieb (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:02AM
- Licenses by Pablonius (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:06AM
- Licenses by Pablonius (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @10:54AM
- Business can't corrupt?? by nowan (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:18AM
- How I learned to love the bomb. by booch (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:33AM
- Communism by booch (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:35AM
- Many suits don't get it by booch (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:46AM
- Implementations - a better example by Morgaine (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @01:13PM
- Implementations - a better example by Morgaine (Score:1) Sunday March 21 1999, @08:48AM
- Bravo! by ink (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:14AM
- one can use any kernel with any distribution by motyl (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:45AM
- No need for one or the other by Ryandav (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:11AM
- Bravo by Ryandav (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:36AM
- Eric's position by arielb (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:48AM
- KDE vs. GNOME by arielb (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:54AM
- and where the hell were you, eric? by lm (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @01:19PM
- Larry McVoy? by lm (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @01:24PM
- "You've never run a business" by lm (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @02:51PM
- ESR is our Communist Tzar! by arwild01 (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:42AM
- ESR focusing overly on finance? Nah. by Demona (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:13AM
- Defensive patents by Mark Wells (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @12:06PM
- More Guns, Less Crime by GlenRaphael (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @01:15PM
- Fight Red$at by cmalek (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @01:35PM
- Eric's position by eponymous cohort (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:51AM
- KDE vs. GNOME by eponymous cohort (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:55AM
- damned fool (was: ESR is our Communist Tzar! by Communa (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @12:22AM
- Open source mistakes and the glass cathedral by blocked (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:47AM
- and where the hell were you, eric? by deeny (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:49AM
- Eric's position by map (Score:1) Monday March 15 1999, @12:11PM
- Implementations by Christopher Thomas (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @12:07PM
- CheapBytes /.ted! by markhb (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @03:36AM
- Licenses by WillWare (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:16AM
- forking Linux over IO spat by cinder_bdt (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:13AM
- nah by mattc (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:49AM
- Fallacy Fest '98 -- Come one, come all! :) by Venomous Louse (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @02:02PM
- Okay, but don't forget to TELL people about it! by Venomous Louse (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @02:03PM
- Fallacy Fest '98^H9 (oops :) continues by Venomous Louse (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @03:51AM
- OSI vs. FSF by jerodd (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:28AM
- Whim and pleasure: RedHat and Microsoft by Weasel Boy (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:57AM
- Many suits don't get it by chrsbrwn (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @03:02PM
- Re: and where the hell were you, eric? by chrsbrwn (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @04:25PM
- and where the hell were you, eric? by Maciej Stachowiak (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @03:44PM
- Cold hard facts by jpr (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:52AM
- Whim and pleasure: RedHat and Microsoft by Firefox (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:50AM
- Licenses by sethg (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @07:05AM
- Licenses by Nater (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:14AM
- But if there is no Goliath... by Nater (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:18AM
- Licenses by Nater (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:32AM
- Licenses by Nater (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:39AM
- Licenses by Nater (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:49AM
- KDE vs. GNOME by Nater (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:58AM
- Similar by Nater (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @12:31PM
- Getting a job by Nater (Score:1) Sunday March 14 1999, @10:59AM
- Bomb! by Visoblast (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:31AM
- Business can't corrupt?? by Isochrome (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:43AM
- We must protect our precious bodily fluids! by Industrial Disease (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:00AM
- Uh, Yeah... Whatever by kmactane (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:52AM
- There *IS* only Red Hat (or Red $oft) by kmactane (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @03:05PM
- Naivete by nbor (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @01:49PM
- just admit when you're wrong by William Wallace (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @05:21PM
- But if there is no Goliath... by Praxxus (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:30AM
- Agreed by Mayo (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:31AM
- Simple?Truth? by crush (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @12:42PM
- Aiieee! Lock all the doors! by crush (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @03:28AM
- Lock all the doors-and don't forget the windows. by crush (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @07:25AM
- Many suits don't get it by LL (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:44AM
- Scoville is Mr. YCHTH? Is this Open Sores? by WesBiggs (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @11:25AM
- Selling to business is easy: Don't use the GPL. by WesBiggs (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @12:54PM
- Selling to business is easy: Don't use the GPL. by WesBiggs (Score:1) Friday March 12 1999, @02:46PM
- Those who *make* things make the difference by rathead (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @07:31PM
- how dare you imply ESR is a communist by rathead (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @07:34PM
- how dare you imply ESR is a communist by rathead (Score:1) Saturday March 13 1999, @07:35PM
- PDF format "highly proprietary" ? by TreesCanHurt (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @09:26AM
- But if there is no Goliath... by jslag (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:25AM
- Bravo! by bubu (Score:1) Saturday March 13 1999, @02:52AM
- Licenses: semi-open science research by Gnosis (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @10:04AM
- "You've never run a business" by jss (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @03:59PM
- KDE vs. GNOME by galexand (Score:1) Saturday March 13 1999, @06:12AM
- Business model by Detroit (Score:1) Thursday March 11 1999, @08:46AM
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