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Electronic Medical Records Software for Unix?

Posted by Cliff on Sun Sep 03, 2000 06:13 AM
from the breaking-into-new-markets dept.
RJV asks: "I'm currently a 4th year medical student at an unnamed University program. I'm taking a medical informatics elective with the goal of converting a clinical department over to using Linux. They are interested in switching to Linux for many reasons - one of the biggest reasons is the astounding cost of a site license for Microsoft products. I'd like to poll the Slashdot community for some feedback on a few of my questions." RJV is particularly interested in software that will track patient information (patient history, prescriptions, billing, etc). Computers are becomming more prevailent in hospitals and doctor's offices, and it would be nice if they had more platform choices than Windows. Although the submittor mentioned Linux, I'm sure that any solutions for the other free Unixen would be appreciated.

"For those of you who are unaware, academic medicine is facing harsh pressures to cut back costs and become profitable. This is a debate in and of itself, but I believe that a publicly funded University (or any publicly funded environment) should be using tools that taxpayers helped develop - especially if those tools are free to use. I believe that Linux is such a beast - for we know it is free to use - and its development was indeed aided by taxpayer dollars in construction of the medium that facilitated Linux's development.

I have been asked by the clinical department to install Linux on a couple of machines - and train their networking staff (currently using NT and Windows) to become familiar with the workings of Linux. This task I believe I am capable of doing. They also want to investigate converting their web server to Linux - something that I know can be done but I'm not the most adept at...yet. There is enough information available to get me through this with minimal help from IRC channels and mailing lists.

However, one main goal they set for me - and one that will most likely influence their decision to convert - is that of the Electronic Medical Record, or EMR. Currently, they have investigated some EMR programs under Windows, but once again, the prohibitive cost of such an endeavor have prohibited the implimentation of it. Were I to find an EMR that the department could use, it very well could be the main selling point for switching to Linux.

I would like to know if there exists any software - free or non-free - that runs under Linux that fits the following description:

  1. Tracks and maintains patient data
  2. Tracks physician trends (medicines prescribed, etc)
  3. Warns of drug interactions
  4. Aides with billing codes
  5. Patient Billing Suggestions on software - free or nonfree - would be greatly appreciated. Any experience in this would also be greatly appreciated."
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  • Posing this kind of question to slashdot is like.. by Money__ (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:24AM
  • UK HISS replacement, similar no? by thebowery (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:26AM
  • by Money__ (87045) on Sunday September 03 2000, @01:31AM (#808040)
    www.freemed.org [freemed.org] From the page:
    "Why Freemed? Freemed is designed to be not only an office management system designed to run on Linux but also an information system. With this system it is hoped that physicians and providers will be able to collect both demographic and outcome data."

    It's open source on MySQL

  • some advice by The_Messenger (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:35AM
  • epocrates, freemed by Bazzargh (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:41AM
  • Re:Did I really get this right? by rongen (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:46AM
  • Imedix? by Stefan (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:48AM
  • Why does the program need to be platform specific? by oblisk (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:50AM
  • This may help by exekewtable (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:57AM
  • Why Linux and not xyz? by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:58AM
  • haiku by The_Messenger (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:59AM
  • by Multics (45254) on Sunday September 03 2000, @02:07AM (#808049) Journal

    It turns out, for all you lame, system-hacking, children, that there are other applications other than Linux and related system tools. You couldn't tell by the comments posted here of course.

    You've seen nothing yet with respect to open source. Open Source will be a massive success when specialty applications like this one are available.

    With respect to medical records, this is a really hard problem. On one side, EVERY STATE has a different set of requirements. On another side, the federal government (US of course) can't make up it's mind about where it is going so EVERY YEAR there are massive changes to the system with poor documentation of what must be done, unrealistically short time-frames (5k lines changed in 45 days -- sure with no bugs right!), conflicting/impossible requirements (page 3 says so X, page 11 says absolutly don't do X), awful contractor-implemented (read EDS) government systems (design reviews? don't make us laugh!) and a constant "we're not wrong, it's YOUR application that is obviously wrong." (oh so you hanging up in the middle of the transaction is my doing? NOT).

    Then add to that an industry that has its cost structure being fiddled with every moment by 'managed care', an obsurdly low medicare/medicaid reinbursements and of course huge politics at both the state and federal levels. Add no one who wants to pay for software that they know will be out-of-date next year (from the aforementioned changes). And then add a constant moral problem from zero sense of completion and you'll begin to understand this problem.

    Part of medical records is a system called 'care plans' which is designed to push patients to get better rather than sit in some care facility sucking dollars and not getting better. Care plans generally improve the quality of life of the people they describe while attempting to be sure that everyone is working toward a common goal. Even in terminal cases (Alzheimers comes to mind) a well considered care plan can make the bad parts shorter duration and the suffering considerably less.

    Open sourcing this application would be a blessing to everyone and might, just might, save some lives since common problems would be fixed or at least discussed quicker than all the proprietary systems presently out there.

  • An ideal opportunity by Ananymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:10AM
  • Re:Huh? by unitron (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:16AM
  • Health Dept of WA by Sea-Wolf (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:17AM
  • perhaps by paladin- (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:17AM
  • a possible vendor by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:18AM
  • Re:Why Linux and not xyz? by tooth (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:22AM
  • The answer is around the corner... by cmat (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:32AM
  • Re:Imedix? (Score:5)

    by aD docwolf (192447) on Sunday September 03 2000, @02:33AM (#808057) Homepage
    I'm an ArsDigitan, a physician, and previously worked for a large medical IT/EMR firm. [so take this with a lick of salt.]

    While Imedix is a cool product, I don't think it will meet his needs for a general purpose EMR.

    The ACS [arsdigita.com] (or OpenACS [openacs.org]) can be customized to suit a variety of tasks, but no EMR module yet exists. So be prepared to do a little bit of hacking/data model extension. Drop me mail if you are interested in taking this route.

    A better bet for what you're trying to do (at this point) is probably GNUmed [gnumed.org]. It uses Postgresql for its database layer (passes the ACID test). Dr. Horst Herb and his crew have built the software in a very thoughtful fashion -- they've clearly used lots of commercial products before.

    One final thing to remember for those who wish to go it alone & code their own product is the importance of security.

    Good security is critical for all EMR software, but is of particular concern in the USA, where HIPAA rules [ucsf.edu] are starting to be implemented.

    Because of these rules, the task of developing an EMR for use as a permanent medical record has become more time consuming, and complex. The law is, ultimately, a consumer protection act, and should lead to higher-quality, standards-driven EMRs in the future. Be sure to examine the rules before setting out on any healthcare project.

    hope it helps.

  • Re:Did I really get this right? by rongen (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:33AM
  • Re:http://www.freemed.org/ by Amphigory (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:43AM
  • by erotus (209727) on Sunday September 03 2000, @02:44AM (#808060)
    I can point you to a couple of sites that could be of some benefit. Please realize that medical software is an area that is still under development. However there are some projects which are far along. Look at the sites below for some examples.

    Freemed - a web page based patient managment system that runs on linux.
    http://www.freemed.org/

    Go here for linux related medical news. The page appears to use slashcode.
    http://www.linuxmednews.org/linuxmednews/index_h tml

    Here is a linux medicine How-To
    http://home.snafu.de/wehe/Medicine-HOWTO.html

    Open sources related to health. This page contains a multitude of links... Check it out.
    http://homeusers.brutele.be/ypaindaveine/opensou rce/inventory.html

    Hope this helps.

  • More linkage by Money__ (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:46AM
  • Houston Medical Center by zaius (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @03:09AM
  • I work for a EMR company.. by angelo (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @03:33AM
  • Early App by Veteran (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @03:48AM
  • Re:It must be platform specific by mr (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @03:49AM
  • Open source resources for healthcare by Pratmik (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @03:53AM
  • Linux !=free by Perdo (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @03:55AM
  • Are you sure you realize what you're getting into? by s390 (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:02AM
  • Possible Lead by dthable (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:02AM
  • Re:Houston Medical Center by el_chicano (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:06AM
  • Not sure, but... by MissNachos (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:09AM
  • Epic, IDX, M (some proprietary suggestions) by _|()|\| (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:19AM
  • Healtheon by vanguard (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:24AM
  • Medical information by spineless monkey (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:29AM
  • More... by s390 (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:31AM
  • re:medical software for the *nix by ultra_5 (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:38AM
  • weboutcome.com by dtr21 (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:40AM
  • www.freepm.org by Trailer Trash (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:46AM
  • Linux Medicine-HOWTO .. by softwave (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:58AM
  • emstat has java front-end by SethJohnson (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:15AM
  • Re:I work for a EMR company.. by BandSaw (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:17AM
  • Medical Manager by techmuse (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:18AM
  • Medical Record Ethics by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:20AM
  • Talk to HUP? by elgardo (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:20AM
  • Re:Medical Manager by seppy (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:25AM
  • I can relate by redhotchil (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:25AM
  • EMRs and Unix Interfaces by PimpDaddie (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:48AM
  • FROM EXPERIENCE: Medical Manager or Resource... by Victor_Rush (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:56AM
  • M/MUMPS by EricEldred (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:58AM
  • Yeah, that's super. by narkon (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:11AM
  • Considered outsourcing? by Masked Marauder (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:24AM
  • Rx30 by jconley (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:31AM
  • Re:Why Linux and not xyz? by jerdenn (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:32AM
  • You might be looking for MUMPS by Pinehill.net (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:41AM
  • Open wide.... by sohp (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:45AM
  • Re:Open wide.... by sohp (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:46AM
  • And Windows != Cheap by paulproteus (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:53AM
  • Medical Software for Linux by stnick (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @07:11AM
  • Re:Medical information by Garg (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @07:33AM
  • Re:to usa fukers by Judg3 (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @07:41AM
  • Re:M/MUMPS by sparks (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @07:46AM
  • Re:More... by miracle69 (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @07:59AM
  • A REAL Response by Panix (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:07AM
  • SAS by jpostel (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:08AM
  • Web Based Dr. data... by Seany-Heady (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:15AM
  • Re:This may help by cooldev (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:18AM
  • EMR by frankmu (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:20AM
  • Re:M/MUMPS by Mr. Frilly (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:20AM
  • FreeMED by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:31AM
  • Re:some advice by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:34AM
  • I am scared.. by mindstrm (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:34AM
  • Re:I work for a EMR company.. by Grendel Drago (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:41AM
  • Re:Medical Manager by Grendel Drago (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @08:54AM
  • RPMS or VISTA by Tony (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @09:11AM
  • However you go.... by catseye_95051 (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @09:56AM
  • Re:I am scared.. by rknall (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @10:19AM
  • Re:Why Linux and not xyz? by Aphexian (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @10:25AM
  • Viability of open source for medical software? by Garg (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @11:23AM
  • Non-Free unix solution: Sunrise Disease Manager by Phrat (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @11:23AM
  • Lessons learned from CHCS for the US Dept of Def by plsuh (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @11:25AM
  • Try Scinet by SupahVee (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @11:26AM
  • Re:Linux !=free by fornix (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @11:46AM
  • Re:Linux !=free by fornix (Score:2) Sunday September 03 2000, @11:47AM
  • EMR Software on UNIX by tiponeill (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @12:16PM
  • Epic Systems? by cheese_boy (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @12:24PM
  • an available Open Source Java app./decision sppt. by cthompso (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @01:35PM
  • Re:I work for a EMR company.. by angelo (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:11PM
  • Re:I work for a EMR company.. by angelo (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:17PM
  • Why don't we just do it? by nl (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @02:44PM
  • I've got a solution by AintTooProudToBeg (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @04:08PM
  • Open Source Healthcare Applications by TCook (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:47PM
  • Re:UK HISS replacement, similar no? by lamz (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @05:55PM
  • Re:M/MUMPS by VP (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:25PM
  • Re:Why don't we just do it? by LuxuryYacht (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:26PM
  • Re:Specialty apps required for OS to really win by kirwin (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:28PM
  • Re:Specialty apps required for OS to really win by fm6 (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @06:51PM
  • Commercial answer - Epic by VP (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @07:38PM
  • Probably SCO... by Wntrmute (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @07:52PM
  • ORTIS by iMMersE (Score:1) Sunday September 03 2000, @10:39PM
  • Re:Why "medical record software"? Why not standard by NevDull (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @12:56AM
  • Medical records on U**X by relliker (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @01:11AM
  • Re:I've got a solution by jeffry_smith (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @03:45AM
  • Why Linux / Open Source works for med by jeffry_smith (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @03:52AM
  • EmSTAT by Joseph Schmoe (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @05:07AM
  • Re:Specialty apps required for OS to really win by mikefe (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @10:31AM
  • Re:I am scared.. by mikefe (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @11:04AM
  • Re:Why Linux and not xyz? by hherb (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @11:37AM
  • Re:Houston Medical Center by GodOfHellfire (Score:1) Monday September 04 2000, @12:53PM
  • VistA - Free software written for the DVA by kitty reads (Score:2) Tuesday September 05 2000, @04:22PM
  • Re:Why Linux and not xyz? by jerdenn (Score:1) Wednesday September 06 2000, @11:47AM
  • This is a test by VanL (Score:1) Wednesday September 06 2000, @03:45PM
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