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Stack-Hacker Itojun Talks About IPv6
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timothy
on Sat Mar 03, 2001 08:15 PM
from the indoor-guy dept.
from the indoor-guy dept.
Alert reader Sin Yuhara writes: "I've encountered [an interview in which] Jun-ichiro "itojun"
Ogino(KAME Project Core/NetBSD Core/FreeBSD Comitter)
talks about IPv6. The KAME IPv6 [?] stack is very well
known in the BSD world and beyond. I'm sure IPv6 and
related stuff must deploy, and this article may help all
people." It's a really good read -- itojun talks about the IPv6 tools that are already integrated into the various BSD systems, about the need for ever more testing, and about why Japan rocks.
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Security without NAT (Score:3)
Until people manage their host and firewall security a lot better, many sites may just stick with NAT because it's what they know, removing a key benefit of using IPv6. So perhaps improved security processes and technology are a prerequisite for IPv6 deployments.
MPLS makes IPv6 work on core routers (Score:5)
The vast majority of IPv6 packets will not have options - yes, they need to be looked at if present, but in that case you just dump the packet into a slow path. Also, MPLS will help here (see below) - the packet should only hit the slow path on lower end routers.
As for core routers that use forwarding ASICs - the answer is to implement MPLS, starting on edge routers that forward IPv6 in software, and attach MPLS labels. The core routers ONLY see the 32 bit MPLS label, so there is no problem about forwarding IPv6 just as efficiently as IPv4, once it is MPLS labelled. The core routers need to run IPv6 routing processes, but that's just on the main CPU.
MPLS is already deployed in ISP and telco IP networks - it is currently used for traffic engineering (balancing traffic loads over the network) and MPLS VPNs, and the same technique will be used to carry ATM, Frame Relay, Ethernet and SONET.
In the longer term, new routers will come on the market with smart enough ASICs and network processors to handle IPv6 with no reduction in forwarding rates, but MPLS will be useful for those ISPs that want its extra features.
Not using NAT, are ISPs going to become nicer. (Score:3)
Japan is ahead of us in IPv6 (Score:4)
Go, Japan!
IPv6 routing doesn't fit well in hardware (Score:3)
IPv4 is much nicer. Only the first few hundreds bits in the packets really matter. Sure, an IPv4 header can be much bigger with options. It's just that nobody expects those options to be implemented. With IPv6, ignoring options is not
The reason is that the IPv6 effort was started in the early 90s at a time when IP routers where basically a bunch of interfaces and DMA engines around a shared packet buffer with a CPU in the middle chopping and tweaking the headers to route the packets. All the decisions were made by software, and, sometime in low cost routers, the CPU even performed the data transfers with the interfaces, no DMA. The IPv6 was built with this architecture in mind and requires the routers to do a lot of smart gee whiz things on the headers. That clean architectural model is alas obsolete.
Nowadays, routers' CPUs nearly never see a packet. All the routing is completely done in hardware. The CPUs just do housekeeping, maintaining the routing tables, collecting and processing statistics, that kind of stuff. The only packets they ever see are those for network maintenance, SNMP, etc, and routing protocols, OSPF, IGRP, BGP, you name it.
In serious routers, the real stuff happens between the switch fabric and the routing processors. The switch fabric, centralized or distributed, handles the bulk of the data transfers, receiving and sending packets between the interfaces and the packet buffers. Here, the unit is the gigabit per seconds (a few tens or hundreds of Gb/s or even Tb/s). When the switch fabric receives a packet, it stores it in a buffer and at the same time extract a few hundred bits of the header and forwards that to routing processors, a huge pipeline of table lookups and processing, 100% hard-coded in silicon.
After a while, the routing processors spit an answer to the switch fabric to flush or forward the packet with updated data for the variable fields (the TTL for instance, or even the whole header on NAT or multicast), or to create new packets. For instance, ISMP packets on TTL timeout can be completely generated in hardware! The unit there is the 100s of millions of packets per second. Go do that with CPUs... Worst of all, the IPv6 headers are highly variable and that completely screws up pipeline design where it's much better to handle bounded amount of data.
So, on current routers, IPv6 is supported
Oh well
Heh. (Score:4)
Thanks, *BSD, for continuing to be the research arm of the software community...
Re:need NT, NOT. (Score:3)
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ICANN Pricing obstacle to IPv6 (Score:5)
It's not totally stupid - one of the problems that does need to be solved by any widespread replacement of the current IPv4 stack is routing table size for the Big Internet, as BGP usage continues to multiply. IPv6 has some support for efficiency and consolidation, but there's still a lot of work to be done.
No mention of 6to4? (Score:5)
I know someone is going to mention that freenet6 or the 6bone is also easy to use, but they're much less efficient than 6to4.