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Comment Re:Why? (Score 1) 575

So, from the order of the list, you assumed that his conclusion was "men are pigs"? That's a pretty weak argument so I'm leaving this one.

The term men are pigs is based on a common statement when people want to blame some ill on men. In general, it refers to either sloppieness or lack of proper hygiene, or sexual proclivities.

I like to use the term for it's shock value because that's what it is in essence.

Overt sexism, unwanted attention and sexual harassment create hostile working conditions.

Overt sexism is piggish behavior, unwanted attention is piggish behavior, sexual harassment is piggish behavior, and a hostile environment caused by this piggish behavior is a hostile environment caused by piggish behavior, the people who are doing this are men, therefore....

Men are pigs.

Don't for a New York minute think that I condone harassment. However, it is way too convenient an excuse to be a one size fits all answer to problems. I'd happily fire a guy who was acting like an asshole. But we are simultaneously training young girls to believe that they can do anything they want to do, and to be so fragile that anything that happens to them will destroy them. Damn - that's not a good combo.

I also believe that considering that actual intergender fucking is going on in the workplace of fields that women seem to have no issues going into kinda makes the men are pigs association keeping women out of Tech ring really hollow. We've tried the its all men's fault method for years, and ended up with some pretty stifled men, and less women. Time to stop looking under the streetlamp because the light is good, when it looks like we lost the keys elsewhere.

Comment Re:Calling all rockets (Score 1) 136

You can't say your Jeeps are literal life savers and then not tell the story about how they saved lives. We all want to know now.

Weather here in the Northeast has become really unpredictable. For both my wife and I we have been caught in ice storms in the middle of nowhere.

The magic of the Jeep and it's modern day traction control is that it will actually go on ice, and go well.

Biiig caveat! the Laws of physics still hold, stopping is still a huge issue on glare ice, even with ABS. But we've both been able to limp off the road, in her case, getting off the interstate for stopping on a side road, and for me, getting out of the woods in sub zero weather on glare ice.

Not very exciting stories, but being able to maintain control on an icy interstate and to get off before you are nuked by some nut is a lifesaver, and getting out of the woods so you don't freeze to death is nice as well.

I've also pulled a fair number of other vehicles out of ditches when they've slid off the road.

For everyone: Be extremely careful if you have a 4 wheel drive. Every winter we have people that end up in ditches because they think just because they can go in a straight line, that they can round a curve on ice at 70 mph, or stop just like on a dry road, even with ABS. You can't.

Comment Re:Why? (Score 1) 575

The conclusion - men are pigs. From the article, the first and foremost reason : Overt sexism, unwanted attention and sexual harassment create hostile working conditions.

Sorry Ol, but that's the worst kind of MRA deliberate mis-interpretation. It's a single item on a list. It doesn't say that "men are pigs", or imply that, or suggest it is the main or only reason. It's just noting that sometimes it is an issue.

It's the first item on the list. Assuming that the good professor took classes on writing, and the rest of the paper indicates that he certainly did. We always put the most important thing on top of the list. My choosing that was deliberate, but it was no mis-interpretation. It was proper writing style.

This is a style long honed, for people who are in a big hurry, to scan over a paper and pick out the paper's most important points. It's a step beyond the abstract, and allows the reader to determine how deeply they want to dive into the the meat of the paper. I've read a lot of papers in my time, and have never seen one that is written otherwise.

Comment Re:Garbage collection - less than 1% female (Score 1) 575

Furthermore, it sounds like your university did an awful lot and I accept your word that it is the case. I'm not disputing your personal experience, I'm saying that overall the numbers and the studies that actually spoke to women about this issue say something else.

There is a sort of confirmation bias that is a lot more common than just among right wing echo chamber inhabitants. People start out with what they want to believe, and make certain that they get the feedback that tells them they are right.

There are some related examples of this in other fields, one that my wife has some experience in. She had a brother who was a juvenile delinquent, and spent a lot of years in "juvie". I was reading some of the literature, and there among the "truants have been horribly mistreated by their families, and this is the cause of their problems", there were a few papers that questioned the veracity of the reports that the kids in question gave to the psychologists interviewing them. The major questioning was are they telling the truth about all of the abuse?

I asked my girlfriend at the time (now my wife) if they had any experience in this, and she informed me that her brother had told so many verifiable lies to the psychologists that someone wanting to use his data to confirm their opinion would be engaging in blatant confirmation bias.

Much of what we see when we hear of the sexism in IT and STEM does not come from those women who are successful, but from those who bombed out. So just like a friend's wife who used to claim sexual harassment everywhere she went, and the friend admitted that they used that as a erotic enhancement - ya gotta look at things a little skeptically at times.

So perhaps your institution was the exception rather than the rule, or perhaps it was already too late by the time women got there and more effort needs to be put in at a younger age.

Perhaps. Maybe we shouldn't have put the cutoff at preschool.

I'm not singling you out here, but I've noticed a lot of people seem to assume I believe all kinds of crazy things and take bizarre, extreme positions on a variety of subjects. I don't, please don't make those assumptions and don't get angry when I decline to defend them.

I read you as a progressive, pro modern day feminist or modern day feminism supporter. I am pretty certain that your mind is made up and not subject to change. Rejecting in an offhand manner front line data that comes from someone who has tried and failed along with others who have tried and failed, lends veracity to my read. At least to me. What do you accept anyhow? Only scholarly articles that are written with no other research than other scholarly articles, and reject all data input?

As for me, modern day feminism is a terrible trap, convincing many women that unless they suffer no negativity, no opposition, that they will fail, and are entirely justified and correct in that failure, so society must make certain to never ever subject them to anything that they do not want to hear.

Life just doesn't work that way. Negativity comes from everywhere. Men, other women, bosses, subordinates, life in general.

Here's a question for you though. You don't actually believe any of my experience do you?

Comment Re:Let me know when ... (Score 1) 313

of course not, don't be a retard. Pointing out the fallacy of those posting and how the headlines etc is blatantly WRONG, does not equal support for coal. Coal needs to die the sooner the better, it is poisoning the planet and people, unfortunately the best alternative is Nuclear which while clean and relatively safe has so much stigma and misinformation associated with it that it is currently cost prohibitive in many circumstances.

I'm not so certain - then again, I am a retard as you so intelligently pointed out.

Unfortunately, I know all too many people who believe that solar and wind are liberal lies and impossible technologies, and that believe it or not, coal is being made as we write these words. That there will almost certainly never be another coal age is beyond them, but hey! I'm a retard, so what do I know.

Comment Re:Renewables will never work (Score 1) 313

So, is it time to go back to all the nay sayers who have over the past 10 years asserted this point was impossible, and say "I told you so"? Or will they just continue to assert that the numbers are all lies, and only coal can make electricity?

Truth no longer matters. You see the craziest shit put out by the deniers. Even to the point of their lack of understanding the entire power generation physics We still have people who think they are scoring points by pointing out that the sun goes down at night, so you can't use solar.

The Truth is often a troll. I've been told several times in here that solar power will never work because the sun doesn't shine at night. Dead deriously told that.

Has Slashdot been taken over by the alt-right?

Comment Re:The few Web 1.0 Sites. (Score 1) 27

To add to this I think there is a valid question of demographics as well. Advertisers want young people with disposable income for the most part. What is the average age of Yahoo!'s audience? I bet it skews older now. I mean who created yahoo mail accounts after Gmail was available without an invite?

We're told that young people don't have disposible income. While old, I have quite a bit.

Comment Re:The few Web 1.0 Sites. (Score 2) 27

Maybe I'm wrong. I know people have a good association with Yahoo Finance. Do people still use Yahoo webmail or Yahoo Messenger? Is Yahoo Answers used for purposes other than trolling? Are there other services that are popular that I've just lost track of?

I use some of the Yahoo groups. After Usenet collapsed the Yahoo groups filled in and added some file storage ability. It also offered the ability to moderate people who were assholes or got hacked for having lame passwords. That is actually a rather nice service.

Yahoo Sports is actually a professional and nice alternative to the Walt Disney version of sports, ESPN.

Now that being said, on all of the news type pages, fully half of the news links are of the Taboola clickbait variety. Completely worthless and a waste of time, and since they are placed as if they are a legit news story, you can accidentally click on them. So I don't even check the sports stories that much any more. Yahoo as it is isn't worth much.

Comment Re:Garbage collection - less than 1% female (Score 1) 575

We need a discussion on whether exact parity is needed in various fields

I think that's just a straw man argument advanced by anti-feminists. It's certainly not mainstream or even radical feminist ideology. What matters is not parity of numbers, it's equality of opportunity.

Asking for a discussion is a strawman argument? Shhesh tough crowd here tonight. Sorry friend, a frank discussion is badly needed. We've had enough bullshit spread about IT and STEM males that trying to turn replies into a straw man is telling us to shut our mouths.

Okay then, remove the "exact" Then let's add in race. You want a (whatever you decide is the appropriate gender mix) and you have an African guy and a female of European descent. All factors are equal - who gets the job?

These are young ladies who were exposed to science and encouraged to be in science and technology

It's only really as we went into the 90s that the push-back started. Having said that I think the reduction of effort, the assumption that the problem was fixed and would continue to self-correct was as big a factor.

I must have been living in an alternative universe. A university environment where we did a hellava lot to recruit and retain women. And this was all through the 1990s and onwards. As noted, I purposely gave up several promotions - including one to a woman who was kinda pissed - maybe upset is a better word - at me when she found out.

I figure much more argument among us is pointless. You think that men are pigs and women are easily turned away from thier passions.

I think that there might just be some career paths that women do not care for. My personal experience in trying to attract and retain women in these fields has shaped that.

I also believe that being the case, forced careers are needed is we are to achieve gender number equity.

Comment Re:Why? (Score 1) 575

The conclusion - men are pigs. From the article, the first and foremost reason : Overt sexism, unwanted attention and sexual harassment create hostile working conditions.

The biggest problem in our workplace between men and women was the men were concerned that by saying the wrong thing, they were going to be fired. So communications with women were very guarded. That certainly isn't a friendly situation, but completely understandable. If you don't have a reason to talk to someone who can have you fired, you probably won't.

A lack of role models for women in technical fields is discouraging. "When faculty members are looking for the next person to win a Turing Award, which is computer science's Nobel Prize, they tend to look for people like the last ones who won such awards. This usually involves looking in the mirror,” Roberts said.

Seriously? a lack of women in technical role models? Here's 90 of them Here's 90 of them Some random ted talks, all by female scientists:

And if you want yound ladies to have especially physically attractive role models there's always : a physicist/Astronomer who manages to not look like the stereotype egghead.

So all I have to say, if Herr Professor hasn't found female role models to present to his students, well - that is his fault not menarepigs

His study is the typical "women are weak" model, where any negativity causes tehm to seek other careers, which presumably have no sexism and all men are perfect gentlemen. He can rail on about his women's school model for a million years, but it won't cure the problem.

Study on one aspect:

So the problem appears that if a female encounters any stereotype that she disagrees with, it completely destroys her interest.


I should come up with a list of links to copy/paste, that lot was just a quick Google search.

So - does this mean that there was something wrong with any woman who did not allow herself to be intimidated out of a science career that she was passionate about, but the passion was killed by anyone that didn't give her positivity?

I don't know specifically if you are male or female, but tell me, did you experience 100 percent positivity throughout your entire life?

Do you believe that The sexism in IT or STEM is so bad, that it is the worst field of all for such things? In the entertainment field, the Casting Couch is a real thing, where if the woman wants to acheive something, she lays whoever she is casting with. Business is rife with men and women using sex as a way to get ahead or intimidate. Law - great bolshy yarblockos! Sex and a lot of it happens, and assault is considered normal by some males.

Yet the two biggest careers we polled for were law and MBA. Law and MBA and Veterinarian were the overwhelming desired careers in our polls. STEM was usually edged out by Pop Stardom.

There is a huge disconnect going on here, with a field full of men who are for the most part some of the shyest guys on the planet, being blamed for rampant sexism, and two of the worst offending carreer paths for sexual harassment and assault being the most popular among young women. Just sayin'.

Its very convenient for some folks to blame is all on these shy guys. But it won't ever fix the problem.

Comment Re:Let me know when ... (Score 1) 313

Absolutely true. It will produce almost infinitely more mercury, sulphur dioxide, sooth particles etc. Clearly a the better alternative!

Radioactivity as well. Coal power generation releases much more radioactivity than a nuc plant and

I'd much rather live beside a nuc power plant than a coal fired one.

Comment Re:Let me know when ... (Score 1) 313

way to completely miss the point. renewables like solar generate at peak capacity for around 1/3 of a day. a coal plant operating at half the capacity will still outgenerate it on a daily basis.

So all we need is coal, forever and ever, world without end, amen, right?

Here's the thing. Coal might allow men to achieve multiple orgasms, grow an extra 5 inches on our dicks, and women to all become Sophia Vergara just by inhaling the fumes given off, as well as cure all diseases.

But dear friend, it isn't renewable, so what do we do? Dig up all of the coal in the ground, then fuck off and die because there is no more? It was a good run, but now that the last clinker of coal is burned, we just committ mass suicide, eh?

I get much. You get what is 5 minutes in the future.

Your great umbrage over solar and wind also declares that it is already maxxed out, with no gains to be had in the future. I surely don't get much, and you have all of the knowledge as to how the past present and future shall be. I'm not so certain about that.

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