Given the spying in vehicles that's warranted next year not to mention the cost - who will ever willingly buy a new vehicle again?

hahahahahahahahahahaha. Fine, we can have a bunch of Chernobyls.

So you're showing not only do you not understand the United States of America, you understand nothing about people, either.

well, Germany requires you spend 15% of your salary for healthcare coverage, so yes, you do. How do you think it gets paid for, anyway? My quick Google search yields that this is also how France and the Netherlands do it. UK Spain and Italy fund out of general taxation so it's income, VAT and corporate taxes.Also, from Google: Social Health Insurance Contributions: In countries with Bismarck-style insurance models, the combined employee/employer contribution rate usually ranges from \(10\%\) to \(15\%\) of gross income. The employee's share typically falls between \(7\%\) and \(8\%\) of their pay.General Income Tax: In tax-funded systems, the portion of your total income tax bill that goes to the health ministry is embedded in the overall tax bracket system. These general income tax rates can range from \(10\%\) in lower-taxed Eastern European countries to upwards of \(40\%\) to \(50\%\) in high-tax Northern and Western European nations.

Because it was a socialist who said it, and they always know what is best.

How did you get that from my statement? I stated that there's a huge number of middle class folks who act like they are British Lords and Ladies and they'll have a live of wealth and privilege without making targeted choices for fields of study. You can't possibly do this when you grew up in modest circumstances. You have to be smart about what you choose to do. The fact that you _can_ do it shows we _do_ have social mobility.

AND it's a lot safer.

I guess you're unaware of the Gemini and Apollo programs in the 1960s in the USA. Not surprising, since you're not American.

Interesting, my state does Dave Ramsey's program in all of its high schools.

Oh, like BBC, who inserted fake mountains behind the Houston skyline? Sheesh.

Do you know anyone who is religious? I doubt it. In your blue bubble of New York City or California, you are judge of anything about anything else in the country. May you should actually visit America.

There are always conditions about things when you get subsidies. Sorry, but I grew up in the hood and thought 'Gee, I need to do something that will give me social mobility' and I did - and those would also likely be things that WERE in the strategic interest of the United States. We have a middle class that in what seems to be a huge number of cases thathink they're British Lords and Ladies and don't need to worry about anything so gauche as having to worry about earning a living. I'm so glad I grew up poor, I never had that particular piece of stupidity. Like all humans, I have enough others.

Which, of course, will make prices rise such that the MBI means nothing.

My thoughts exactly, Tony. I am not sure I would call myself a coffee snob - my favorite coffee maker is a 1975 made by GE that I bought as new old stock -- it makes incredible coffee - but I do like good coffee. And this? It's just...another way to suck the life out of everything.

You must be speaking of yourself, Not see.