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  • "Religious people really don't like being told that they're wrong.... even though they are."

    I believe you. :p

  • no one like to be wrong.

    Dan Brown explains this Relio-Science stuff more gently in Angels & Demons .. but yeah... duh.
    • Dan Brown explains this Relio-Science stuff more gently in Angels & Demons

      Dan Brown is full of shit in Angels & Demons. If Religion has been continuously against Science since the founding of the Christian Church, which is what he claims, then what the fuck were all those monks [st-and.ac.uk] doing in the middle ages? Bacon in particular even had the support of the Pope for a while.

      • well he doesn't really say that. in fact he claims several times that "The Church" (TM) had scientific discoveries that they foisted onto others... in any event Dan Brown write fiction with fake facts. Some of which are correct once in a while.
        • That's fine, but don't cite him as a "Dan Brown Talks about this..." if he's just fiction :-).

          Really, I wish he'd actually research his fake facts better; The DaVinci Code at least follows Baingent & Leigh's commonly held wacko theories about Christ and the course of the Church. I liked that, even if he did screw up and cite the Priory of Sion, which was officially debunked a while ago. But I was immensely disappointed to find with each successive earlier book, the research on the fake facts that had

          • To be fair, Brown gives heavy facetime early to the head of CERN who's the one that's really hellbent on destroying religious dogma. If you identify with him right away it's easy to take the rest of the book in the same light.

            That said, Angels and Demons was a stupid book and terribly boring.

  • Religion is a crutch for people who want to know the "why" of something but don't want to go to all the trouble of following the "how" backwards long enough to get a real answer. People wouldn't be religious if they were clear, critical thinkers because the idea of making non-time-sensitive judgements on faith is an absurd thing born of ignorance and fear. Taking on religious beliefs is like wandering around in the dark and coming to a pit in the floor. Religious people would just back up and take a running

    • The issue is not that man created religion/religious institutions.

      The isssue is that many people see those institutions as the end-all and be-all of the ultimate explanation of everything. These people then respond that their own religion is the "true" way (that's okay), and insist that everyone else follow their path whether they want to or not (that's not okay).

      • I wish I had written down where I saw it (perhaps on kos), but the 'proper' way to look at it is that science tells us 'how', whereas religion tells us 'why'. Or perhaps 'by whom'. Maybe I'm just cherry picking because it jibes with my thoughts.
      • You're arguing my point, religion isn't the problem, it's fanaticism. I believe in whatever I choose to believe, as do you. Fanatics feel compelled into telling you that your beliefs are wrong and try to force you into their choice of life, I do not.
        Religion tells us how (not why) to live, it provides moral guidance and examples. It preaches peace, understanding and forgiveness. It asks us to look into our hearts and ask if we are doing our best. Those who seek to find answers in religion are looking in t
    • AFAIK, God gave the thumbs up to Judaism.

      I'm still wondering if a devout 'Christian' shouldn't be a Jew who also accepts Christ as the Messiah...

      • AFAIK, God gave the thumbs up to Judaism.
        Every holy book says that God told them they where the one true faith, that's politics, not religion. You also seem to presume that the God who created the universe is a Judo-Christian God, What if God is a Shintoist, or an Atheist?
        I'm still wondering if a devout 'Christian' shouldn't be a Jew who also accepts Christ as the Messiah...
        I asked a priest the same question when I was younger, he replied, "we are".
        • To the first, if we ever got into it, I would explain how God could be shintoist, muslim, or any number of things. But Christianity can legitimately make no such claim. It didn't arise until after Christ left Earth. Okay, let me amend that: only LDS can claim Christianity as a legitimate religion, sanctioned by God.

          To the second, ignoring God's first covenant with the Jews pretty much says that Christians are not Jews who accept Christ as the Messiah.

          • To the first, if we ever got into it, I would explain how God could be shintoist, muslim, or any number of things.

            Please do, I'd like to hear it.

            It didn't arise until after Christ left Earth.

            By that reasoning he also cannot be Muslim, Islam began around 700AD.

            Okay, let me amend that:only LDS can claim Christianity as a legitimate religion, sanctioned by God.

            LDS?

            To the second, ignoring God's first covenant with the Jews pretty much says that Christians are not Jews who accept Christ as the Messiah.

            • Cliff's Notes answers:

              God reveals himself to man. Man is imperfect and cannot take in what he sees. He interprets him in a number of different ways. Some closer to 'the Truth' than others.

              I don't say that God has to bless a religion for it to be acceptable. I'm talking about two different points. Islam is okay by me.

              LDS=Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, aka The Mormons. After Christ rose from the dead, he spent some time in North America. Where he gave the Natives the 'Truth'. They didn't beli

              • God reveals himself to man. Man is imperfect and cannot take in what he sees. He interprets him in a number of different ways. Some closer to 'the Truth' than others.

                Can only agree here.

                LDS=Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, aka The Mormons. After Christ rose from the dead, he spent some time in North America. Where he gave the Natives the 'Truth'. They didn't believe it, so they got brown skin.

                Wow, Israel, Egypt, India and now North America? That Jesus fellow got around didn't he.
                Out of in

                • My biggest complaint about Roman Catholics is that a priest is necessary to intercede for the forgiveness of sins. (There are others, but that is the biggest one.) In some ways, I am almost a congregationalist in belief, and would probably give way totally if it weren't for the comfort I find in the magisterium of the church. I'm mature enough to recognize that some of this is for the same reason we like various comfort foods: it predates rationality, is a constant, is familiar, is 'comfortable'.

                  Honestly,
                  • I honestly don't think you need a church or a specific faith, forgiveness comes, not from the priest, but from the act of confession itself. And while I can relate to your need for the Our Father (I've just realised, I don't know that prayer in English) prayer doesn't have to be a specific string of words. Your relationship with God is a personal thing, you should never let anyone tell you 'the right way' to do things. Find a faith you feel most comfortable with and use it the same way you would with a refe
  • But evolution is just a theory!

    If theories mean so little then let me see you violate the theory of gravity.

    Even better is Intelligent Design which lets those who accept it do all their scientific work within the theory of evolution framework while being able to say that that framework was created by a higher power. It's interesting to me that this idea only came about recently. Intelligent Design makes it so there's no way any scientific discovery could contradict religion by putting all scientific disc
    • Intelligent Design is not a theory, it's religous dogma masquerading as legitimate science.
      • Intelligent Design is not a theory, it's religous dogma masquerading as legitimate science.

        We should put that in the cover of textbooks next to the stickers that say "Evolution is just a theory. You are not required to believe in it." Actually, the courts struck down those stickers but the county (Cobb, just north of Atlanta, GA) replaced their textbooks last year with ones that include ID.

        I wonder if anyone's willing to start a movement to make stickers quoting you that people will sneakretly stick in
        • The problem with that is that kids shouldn't HAVE to be told that ID is a load of crap from the scientific perspective. If the schools would quit bickering about stupid socio-political bullshit and the state's role in indoctrinating children into arbitrary belief system (there is no role) there wouldn't even be an issue because, in theory, they'd be teaching ... gee... I dunno... science? in science class.

          But nooooo. A couple lobby groups made up of, likely, the same people that sue paint manufacturers ove
    • I am a Christian Man.

      I believe in Evolution.

      I am not a paradox... in fact, I'm not the only one.

      Remember, the 'religious' you guys really see are the over zealotous elitists out there that give religion a bad name...
      • Yes, but they're giving your religion a bad name in a very public way, and nobody is really stepping up to counter them.

        If the only angle I'm ever really given on a religion is of self-righteous ignoramouses who probably can't even read, is it unfair of me to come to conclusions about that religion on that basis?
      • I agree you're probably a lot smarter than the over zealotous types especially if you can be Christian and include evolution. I think the hitch is that there's so much thinking involved in understanding how evolution can fit in the picture and how the only thing it and many other sciences ever contradict is current interpretations of the Bible. The ungodly (pun) amount of cleverness packed into that book is the bane of devout athiests just as much as it's the saving grace (pun, pt.2) of the whole movement (
  • "they are."

    prove it. That's the thing about faith. It's FAITH. It doesn't portend to the baser, more easily perceptible levels of provable reality. It's nothing so mundane. It's a connection made between many discrete and disparate observations. It's a common pattern glimpsed in many things. At least for me it is.

    So where'd the universe come from?

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