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Comment Re:Bullshit isn't the same as "lie". (Score 1) 376

So you are saying that people only ever use language to establish stable beliefs in propositions, and that they never say anything purely to achieve emotional effect?

No, I never said anything resembling that statement. I stated that people either tell the truth, or they lie.

Your statement claimed that a dishonest statement claimed to be "bullshit" is not a lie. Which is _wrong_. If you claimed that in an alternative plane of existence it may be the truth, you are lying further.

You attempted to make a distinction between bullshit, lies, and honesty. I claimed rightfully that bullshit is a lie.

Comment Re:Disagree (Score 1) 892

Fair enough, but I still think you are being a bit blind to what goes on on the right. I'll agree that the whole gender issue has been blown out of proportion. We seem to need perhaps more than two genders, but not 72.

Baseless allegation with no supporting facts, followed by a complete denial of science. I study the right as much as the left, so your claim is not only lacking supporting facts it has no place in reality. There are no "Right" wing platforms performing any of the actions I listed for the Left. The last bit is quite telling, since there are only 2 biological genders. If you claim that you need more, you are denying science and living in delusion.

Yeah, but again, I see the same on both sides. The Republican position on abortion is certainly "Live like we demand and the Government should punish you if you don't". They're even talking about restricting birth control now, which is just pants-on-head retarded to my mind.

The Republican position on Abortion is that it should be a State issue, not a Federal issue. Federal funding of abortions and birth control is not within the Federal Governments Constitutional Powers. What people rallied against recently was the Federal Government stopping the funding of Abortions overseas through planned parenthood. So your tax dollars were not simply supporting people here, but people across the world. That fiscal irresponsibility should really bother people. We are broke as a Country, with an accumulated debt of 240Trillion dollars. We have poor people of our own, poor education, and a massive amount of unemployment and underemployment.

For the State issue, I'd recommend the study what a Federation of States really means, and why we are not a big blob Government like England, or China, or France, or Russia. I would highly recommend as reading, the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers.

And when it comes to Abortion, Justice Anton Scalia said it brilliantly. I'll need to paraphrase a bit, but here goes. The act of abortion is not new to our century, in fact the practice goes back through thousands of years of history. Yet the founding fathers did not place any mention of abortion in the US Constitution, Bill of Rights, or anywhere else in our Founding documents. If the Founders thought the issue was worth mandating or denying through Federal powers, it would have a place in those documents. The fact that it's not there means that the power is a State issue. States can create laws independent of the Federal Government as long as they do not assume powers _from_ the Federal Government. The States should decide which is right and which is wrong, and the people who live in those States should be the ones who decide.

Comment Re:Yup (Score 4, Informative) 439

The Declaration may not be "Law", but it is _the_ single most important document in American History. The Declaration of Independence is what founded the country. The document provides both the reason for discarding rule from England

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

And the principles that the Country should, and would, have.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

I'd recommend reading the whole Document. The Constitution is the Law used to protect the rights declared.

Comment Re:Bullshit isn't the same as "lie". (Score 1) 376

So you are attempting to assert that "bullshit" is not a lie under certain circumstances? No, I'm not going to read a book about Bullshitting about lies. A lie, is a lie, is a lie. No matter what the purpose, no matter what the context, dishonesty is the exact opposite of honesty. Perhaps in your strange world, a person can be "almost" guilty of a crime too.

Comment Re:Bullshit isn't the same as "lie". (Score 1) 376

Sorry, but you are the one confused. There is no difference between "bullshitting" and a "white lie", which are both forms of lying. Both are dishonest, and the only argument you could attempt to use is that certain lies cause no harm.

If I told you that I drank 50 gallons of beer, I am bullshitting. That happens to also be a lie.

If your partner/spouse asks if they are fat and you say "no", and they happen to be fat.. you are telling a white lie. That happens to also be a lie.

So much for people being able to think critically today. Being dishonest is somehow not lying.. go figure.

Comment Re:Bullshit isn't the same as "lie". (Score 1) 376

As someone else said, lies are pretty easy to detect but you have to go find sources. It is amazing how media today does not provide actual sources, but layers of links to other sites repeating the same lie they themselves repeat. It is very time consuming to find actual truths, but I find it necessary today. Media has become masterful, sadly, at removing context to create a narrative based on a sliver of truth. Unfortunately, that is not the only way they lie (see below).

You are right that good bullshit appeals to emotion, but it's not quite as simple usually as reading an appeal to emotion fallacy. I think the telling thing is how people react when you suggest that people look for full sets of facts or provide a contrary opinions/conclusions. The hostility, especially from the left today, should set off people's bullshit meters.

This is an education video on how the media lies. This is also true of Politicians, just to be clear. A funny note here is that Sargon is a left of a true Liberal. I disagree with him at an intellectual level, but we could debate the disagreements. The leftists however, tend to hate him and slander him. "Dangerous thoughts" and all that.

Comment Re:Disagree (Score 1) 892

You invented an exclusion that I never provided, but I'll bite since your response was polite. While there are certainly liars on the right, the difference is in a platform versus individuals. The Left running around claiming 72 genders, discrimination which does not exist against women, claims of bigotry when none exists and even creating hoaxes to back the invalid claim,claims of crime which do not exist among some groups and denying crime from others, and an overall loss of using facts for all of the above. There is no dialogue on the left, it's become pure Alinsky tactics.

Again, I see it as a difference in a really F'd up platform and individuals who lie. Long ago I was Democratic leaning and certainly believed in the principles of Liberal like "Live and let live". The progressive takeover of the Democratic party makes it a fascist communist movement, not "Liberal". It's no longer "Live and let live", it's "Live like we demand and the Government should punish you if you don't." Many in my family were also Democratic leaning, which should explain my early leanings. The Democrats have lost all support from everyone I know because of the fanaticism and loss of reality and facts.

Comment Re:Good grief. Idiot or Troll? (Score 1) 892

You gave no evidence in your claim, you simply made up a fairy tale to back a broken assumption.

For your belief, basic evidence is being avoided. Outside of personal choice (based largely on biology), Aptitude and Skill Assessments are the largest factor in determining a degree track for both men and women. I seriously hope you are not going to attempt to claim that the same tests keeping men out of certain fields are biased against women, but hell... you probably will.

90% of school teachers are women. Are women brain washing kids away from certain subjects? That's a big part of your "theory". You don't consider evolutionary biology, just claim bias.

Comment What I find most sad (Score 1) 892

That to argue for rational dialogue and facts for consideration, people need to state things like "Please understand that I am not in any way saying that harassment in the workplace is OK." In an intellectual space the disclaimers should go without being said. Sadly, intellectuals are not the only ones in this space. I understand why you did, just pointing out something obvious for mass consideration.

Comment Re:Disagree (Score 1) 892

Haha! You are funny! Romney and McCain are not a Conservatives, they are RINOs. Using Politifact, an extremely left wing organization, to debunk my claim is just sad. Funny though, that the Mitch McConnell link yields mostly trues. I'd honestly have to fact check your fact checker, because as mentioned they are grossly biased and remove context to make political claims. Nope, you are not paying me to be your researcher so won't happen. If you want to talk cash, leave contact information.

I don't know anyone on the Right who assumes someone is honest, even on their own team. We have to debate each other as much as we do the left. Gowdy and Chavez question Republicans just like they do the Dems. Meanwhile, the "Left" is still claiming women make 70c on the dollar. I won't get into their other lies, the list is way too long and not relevant to the conversation.

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