Whilst it is officially 3 days per week at my place there is clearly some shadow policy that HR aren't sharing. Firstly there is never a definitive answer about whether leave (regular, bank holiday or medical) counts. There are people signed off sick after surgery who get grief from HR for not attending the office FFS. And there is some peculiar 12 and 26 week average attendance that gets reported even though the policy that we can see doesn't mention those timescales at all.

But it gets worse. It's not just about being in the office, its about being in the right office. There are jobs advertised internally where you have to work from one of a short list of offices nationwide. So the fact that you're in a different office that isn't on the list and could go in for those 3 days minimum doesn't matter. The fact that there are people that would be in your team if you got the role who are in the same office as you right now but which isn't on the list is just crazy. You'd actually be doing the in-person collaboration thing but they won't let you unless you move house to attend a different office and get on teams calls with the people in your current office that you wouldn't be allowed to work from.

UK based if that helps.

Perhaps, but I have a clear memory of wondering whether it would be worth it and waiting a day. I'm in the UK so I wonder if the time zone difference is a factor.

I created a user account on day 2. Hence my high UID. Once the kids have gone you're welcome to pull up a chair and sit on my lawn and talk about hand crafted Afterstep config files and upgrading X11 from those 15 floppies you took into the uni labs that time.

Good points. I admit I did simplify my point for clarity and didn't add the nuance of manufacturing lines and the logistics of that.

To answer your question, it would depend on the feature and both the utility to me and the failure modes if it goes wrong. A feature that automates something I normally do manually (say automated windscreen wipers) but puts the car in 'limp' mode or outright refuses to drive if the sensors break would be something I wouldn't want present on the car - assuming I had all the information and actually _knew_ this would happen if the sensor fails, which I appreciate is something the manufacturers would not release easily.

Manufacturers already incurred a cost to keep stock inventory and service technicians trained just in case they had to fix your car under warranty. So the 'if the manufacturer incurs a cost then subscriptions are OK' argument isn't as clear cut as some in this thread are making out.

But for heated seats etc where the hardware is already there. Scum.

A colleague of mine took to tailgating and/or working from home for a while until his manager had a go at him for not attending the office. So he started to badge in every day, including at weekends if he was in the area for other reasons (the office is near several big shops) so then he was pulled up and asked why he was badging in seven days a week. He responded by asking if there was any correlation with the amount or quality of his work. That pretty much ended the stupid conversation from what I heard.

Anyway the policy we have is stupid. We have to maintain 3 days per week on average but this is irrespective of leave of any kind - be it regular leave, UK bank holidays or even medical leave when you're frikkin signed off. It's not that it's rigorously enforced (even for some who never come in) it's more that they have something to use against you if they want to.

I like to joke, and it's only partially a joke, that there are two kinds of computer systems. Serious ones and toys.
If it's a toy system then you can upgrade to the latest version, do whatever changes you want etc and if it breaks, well that's OK because it's just a toy.
If it's a serious system then you can upgrade to the latest version, do whatever changes you want etc and if it breaks, then that's also OK because you have a well funded, well designed, fully scrutinised and tested recovery policy and already tested all your changes in a properly representative system. Right. Right?
CNI would count as Serious++.

Of course I love it when people tell me that "No, no, no, this is critical but we have no funding and it's running on some old servers we found in a skip"
At that point I note that delegation can work upwards as well as down, especially when it comes to responsibility and accountability.

Then we have Safelinks in Outlook which totally obfuscates the original link and so completely negates the "hover over the link to check that it's genuine" advice.
I suppose _technically_ the IT dept are taking responsibility at that point if I do click but I know it won't actually help me to claim that.

I got into a spat with IT once about the phishing training emails where they told us _NOT_ to tell our colleagues about these emails. I got them to the point where they told me that if I wasn't certain that it was a training phish that I could tell people. So I just decided to pretend not to be 100% certain any more and coined the term 'security through agnosticism'.

Plus there's the other advice telling you to unplug your network and disable wifi if you think you clicked on something malicious. But then the advice is to follow these online instructions including calling a number which a) I can't remember and b) could only call via Teams at best because they took away my phone. Oh and I work for a telco. I've suggested they drop a word doc onto everyone's desktop via group policy (and keep it updated) containing all the information you might need if you ever have to deal with a situation like that and are offline. Guess how far that got.

I've seen exactly this from supposedly respectable pen-test teams. Their recommendation was not to "yum update httpd" but just to go to apache.org. As if visiting the website was all the instructions they would ever need to provide. I was f**king livid. It got worse when I found they had left "bitcoin ransomware files" on the server. Yes the pen test team had credentials (some tests were 'white box' style ) so them gaining access wasn't a problem, and I'm OK with them being a bit irreverent but to not even put their name and email in the note was completely unprofessional. We nearly wiped the entire platform thinking we'd been hacked for real during the pen test. The guy responsible _and_ his manager got a severe bollocking when the truth got out.
Oh and they left a process running on one of the physical xeons listening on a certain port and running whatever you sent there as root. There were so many cores you couldn't see that one was pegged at 100% without looking carefully. I only spotted it from the command history which shows they don't clean up after themselves there either.
All future pen test discussions began with "so tell me what I'm going to see in my logs and how you're going to clean up after yourselves".

They have a "3 Together 2 Wherever" rule which is 'advice' right now but becomes 'policy' in the new year. The biggest push-back isn't from people who want to continue to work from home, most of us _did_ work in the office in the before-times after all. No, the biggest push-back is from people who are OK with the 3 days a week but want to know about corner cases:
What if I have a bad cold and could work from home but don't want to infect my colleagues?
What if there is literally nobody in my team in the same office so I'm still putting a headset on to talk to someone far away?
What if I need to use a non-corporate laptop (a "dev laptop") to do actual proper technical work and find that I'm outright forbidden from using the office wired lan and the small print of the wifi forbids me using that as well - so do I just down tools on those 3 days in the office?

Of course, HR are as useless as a chocolate teapot over this, their responses (when we get them) are scattered around various FAQs (falsely anticipated questions) and emails and often don't answer the actual question and continue to talk about 'opportunities for collaboration'. In one case the response was an email containing a screenshot of text which is not searchable and probably in breach of accessibility laws.

If I have bought every previous album from a band though Amazon then one of the very few times I actually want targeted advertising is for when the band in question puts out a new album.
Yet there are numerous examples where I've only found out several months or a year later.
If they can't get this seemingly obvious thing right then there's no hope that any of these agents will be in any way useful.

Instead of "lessons learned", I've been calling it "instructions ignored" for years now.

When you are 'forced' by manglement to cut corners for cost or time reasons etc despite saying to them this is a risk then it really [*****] me off when there's a post project lessons learned session and all the same things come out.

From over 100 years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

I know, right.

If earth venues can't install a femotcell in their deadspots so the frickin ticketshafter app can get a signal to show the barcode (all for my convenience, remember) then sure, you can hold a concert in orbit, but nobody can get in.

But more seriously, there are far better payloads to put into space and far better ways to support live music of all kinds.