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Comment Re:Digital Rights? (Score 1) 240

OK, but with the gaming examples you're talking about (a) a DRM system that was obviously broken and (b) DRM applied to something where you bought a permanent copy. I have much less sympathy for the content provider in those situations, and if they wind up having to refund a lot of people's money because they shipped a broken product then I still won't have much sympathy for them.

The opposite side is when you have DRM protecting a service like PPV or Netflix where you know you're not buying a permanent copy, and most people will just fire up the player and enjoy the show without ever knowing the DRM is even there. In that case, the DRM is transparent to legitimate viewers, but some form of protection is reasonable to prevent casual infringement.

As I've said throughout, there has to be a balance. DRM that breaks stuff is bad, and people who supply broken products should make good on the damage to their customers. But DRM also makes it practical to follow new and useful business models that can benefit everyone involved.

Comment Re:makes suing security researchers a feature ... (Score 1) 240

Right, but why should any business give up broad legal rights like that? There needs to be a compelling argument that they get something worthwhile in return. From a commercial perspective, I just don't see one here. From the W3C's perspective, it's trying to bring some standardisation to the industry, but it's abundantly clear that major content providers will walk away and implement their own proprietary equivalents if they are backed into a corner, so the W3C has very little bargaining power to try to force the matter. (See also: Mozilla's handling of the same issue.)

Again, I have nothing against legitimate security research and responsible disclosure, but there is a reason we're talking about laws here. It's because it typically requires laws, or other regulations with statutory backing, to compel desirable behaviour when commercial pressures alone won't do it. If there's a problem with abusing provisions in the DMCA to inhibit valuable security research, that problem needs to be corrected at the same level, the DMCA, not kinda sorta worked around through some commercial agreement with a non-statutory standards organisation.

Comment Re:makes suing security researchers a feature ... (Score 1) 240

My point is that the rightsholders have those legal rights already. It's not anything the W3C is doing that provide those rights, it's laws like the DMCA.

And again, just because someone says they are a security researcher, why should they magically be above those laws? If the laws are inappropriate for some reason, they should be changed for everyone. If they are fair and reasonable, security researchers shouldn't get a pass for breaking them just because of their line of work.

In short, I think you raise valid concerns, but I think you're aiming at the wrong target.

Comment Re:Digital Rights? (Score 1) 240

I would agree that the scales were tipped too far towards creators if everyone actually played by the rules, but as we're all aware, in a world full of piracy that isn't always the case. The unfortunate result is the kind of polarised extremes you describe. The world would be a much nicer place, IMHO, if we had a culture of respecting creative work and contributing to support it, and a market for that work that operated in some reasonable and transparent way, more like what the original copyright tried to achieve rather than the modern, ever more draconian developments of the idea. If we had a more respectful culture, there would be no need for creators to waste time and money on DRM schemes, and no risk to consumers of DRM schemes going wrong. But sadly, you only have to read any discussion about copyright on a forum like this one to see how far away we currently are from that ideal.

Comment Re:Digital Rights? (Score 1) 240

And those rights, per the industry are to go "forever plus one day".

Excessive copyright duration is a real problem, for sure, but it's a completely different issue to DRM. Most works shared illegally online are very recent, and would still have been covered by even the shortest duration of copyright from when the idea first started. Most DRM is disrupting the sharing of those works, not things that were created 50+ years ago.

Comment Re:DRM (Score 1) 240

If it's DRM on something that was presented as a permanent sale, I'm inclined to agree.

If it's DRM to enforce temporary access when that was known to be part of the deal up-front (PPV, subscription libraries, and so on) then I think it's a different matter.

Comment Re:Digital Rights? (Score 1) 240

That assumes you're talking about the kind of mass market content that is usually available and easy to find on a torrent. There's a huge long tail where that isn't the case, and you're making a big assumption that someone who chooses to pirate will easily be able to find an alternative source.

Comment Re:makes suing security researchers a feature ... (Score 1) 240

Vendors can now criminalize bug reporting and whistle-blowing.

Don't you think that's a problem with a legal system that permits it, rather than with DRM itself, though? After all, the W3C has no legislative power and no authority to say who gets to sue someone or when. Given the nature of EME, it's hard to see how they could incorporate robust protections for anyone even if they wanted to.

As an aside, just because someone calls themselves a security researcher, that doesn't necessarily make them a positive influence or whatever they want to do OK, so I'm not sure some sort of blanket immunity from anything is necessarily a good idea anyway. The details very much matter in this sort of situation.

Comment Re:Digital Rights? (Score 2) 240

This is about technical mechanisms that restrict how you use your own machines.

Or it's about technical mechanisms that restrict how you access content someone else provides.

There are always two sides to these issues, but we're only human and naturally tend to see things first from our own point of view.

Comment Re:DRM is necessary to stop piracy (Score 1) 240

You lost me. Why should I "keep paying" to "keep enjoying" something?

Because that was the deal you agreed to when you signed up. Why did you have to return a video to the rental store instead of keeping it? After all, you paid for it.

Not all commercial agreements involve a permanent sale, and sometimes a different model involving temporary access at a lower price might benefit everyone involved.

Comment Re:Digital Rights? (Score 1) 240

You don't have to use any of the new stuff, though. The "others" you mention add to what we had before. They don't replace it. You are free not to use e-commerce sites, or to stream music or movies, or to host your stuff in "the cloud". No-one is stopping you from restricting your browsing activity to personal or otherwise freely available websites, just like what you could access before. You are perfectly entitled to run a browser with JS disabled, ads blocked, and no plugins (including anything related to EME) if you don't want to use sites that rely on such technologies or feel that they compromise your security or privacy in unacceptable ways.

However, none of us is entitled say to everyone else, including the millions if not billions of people who find these new alternatives useful, that they can't have what they want because it's different to what we want. Also, none of us is entitled to tell those providing content that they must provide it in a certain format that we find convenient.

Comment Re:DRM is necessary to stop piracy (Score 2) 240

This mostly seems to be a combination of paranoia and slippery slope fallacies, and for someone who wants to see "proof and lots of it", your own argument is remarkably devoid of any supporting evidence.

I suggest to you that the existence of services like Netflix is beneficial to a great many people, who now get to enjoy more content at lower cost than they otherwise would have. I also suggest that services like Netflix would be much less practical without DRM, since obviously anyone could just sign up for whatever the minimum period is these days, download huge amounts of unprotected content to keep them going for a while, and then immediately cancel their subscription so they don't have to keep paying even though they're still enjoying the content. And finally, I suggest that the average Netflix user doesn't even know what DRM is or "experience" it at all.

Comment Re:Digital Rights? (Score 0) 240

The Internet isn't what it used to be. It has been taken over and changed. Maybe should be called the commercialnet, or spynet or something of the sort.

The irony of your comment is that the Web has become dominated by ads and privacy intrusions in large part because people using it weren't willing to pay for stuff but still wanted the stuff. It turns out that people who make good stuff still have rent to pay, and that equivalent content and services don't always magically appear from within the community if no-one pays for them.

I'm sure that has nothing to do with a discussion about copyright, infringement, and alternative business models that become practical with DRM, though. Nope, no parallels there at all.

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