it is what you want to say, not me obviously, stop lying.

There are literally millions of people doing nothing today, what you are advocating here has already happened, why aren't you happy anyway, is it because it's never enough? AFAIC everyone who can work should be taking care of himself/herself, government must not steal from one to subsidize another, especially in the system basically designed for complete corruption (and it is designed for complete corruption).

It is up to everyone individually to survive on this planet, if there are too many people unable to survive then it's a self correcting issue - they will not survive.

drone batteries have to be heated otherwise drones may not even take off, Ukrainian soldiers in the field use all sorts of ways to keep the batteries warm, for example chemical hand warmers are used for this.

I strive ICE vehicles and will keep buying them, ban or not, EV is not for me and since this is a ban that BMW is talking about, clearly this is not the choice of the people, not a market decision but an imposition by the currently elected officials, who can and will be replaced if they push such unpopular agenda.

the word BAN and the word market are incompatible.

This is news somehow that if you work for a company you make your salary or wage rather than dividends? If you want dividends, buy dividend paying stocks or start your own company.

Are you saying that people before didn't understand any of this? Peculiar.

You are really bad at this entire arguing thing, I run multiple companies, I have children, I travel extensively ( in the last 8 days I have been to Ukraine, Romania, Poland, Canada and the USA for example and this is just the start of this month, I traveled nearly every month since 2016). You don't know how old I am, you don't know a thing about me. I live this life here and now and given how many people I am actually responsible for I am certain that I care about many things. One of those things is freedom of the people who are alive today and are and should making decisions on their own behalf without any government telling them what they should or must do.

- first of all, they are the past, before ICE vehicles EVs were already here. So nothing new there. Also they are the present, there are many electric vehicles in service today, buses, trains, trams, things that can be heavy and receive energy over wires, golf cars. I personally own a few electric vehicles, they are not cars but electric unicycles, scooters. Actually very large dump trucks are electric with a diesel powered generator on board.

Secondly, what is this nonsense, you have used the analogy of the horse and car in your first comment and now you are berating me for using it back at you? The hell? If anyone set up a strawwan then it would be you.

I am completely correct, there is no benefit to an EV for me from an ICE vehicle at all, there are only detriments. It is not at all the same with a horse and a car, a car is definitely better than a horse for moving me around and moving passengers and whatever things I want to move.

There is no benefit for me switching to an EV as it would be in case if I had a horse and someone offered me to switch to a car, so I don't understand this entire line of reasoning that you are engaging into.

My ICE vehicle is *better* than an EV, that's all there is to it. It doesn't make me nauseous when I drive it or when I am a passenger, EVs constantly make me want to vomit, what sort of a benefit is that????? Why would you want me to be riding something that makes me feel like shit, do you have people or do you hate me specifically?

I don't want to be tied to charging stations, power plugs either.

Now, if *IF* I could get an electric vehicle with a NUCLEAR power plant on board where I wouldn't have to recharge for 25 years straight, yes, I would take that. I would change the drive train to suit my specific needs, I would make sure this thing doesn't make me want to puke but I would take that over an ICE vehicle because it would actually be better.

Do you understand the difference? It would actually provide me with a new degree of freedom that my ICE vehicles don't have - ability to never bother fueling them in the first place. This would be very useful. I wouldn't throw away my sports cars but I would totally use a nuclear powered electric vehicle for all sorts of long trips.

Basically you have completely avoided the question I posed in the very beginning, if the EVs are better from point of view of the market, then there wouldn't be any need for any mandates. If the mandates are needed, then it means there is no significant demand for the EVs and it means that government mandates would only make companies lose money unless there are subsidies (paid for by everyone and even this becomes extremely questionable in the current economy).

If there is no market for these cars but there are mandates and no subsidies, this means the government is going against the wishes of vast majority and would have to impose laws prohibiting ICE cars, I expect such moves by the government to cause more people like Trump coming to power to remove the existing government structures because they are clearly going against the wishes of the people.

while cars are superior to horses in most ways that matter to move people abd goods, there is no such clear cut superiority of electric cars over ICE, quite the opposite. An exple - I don't like the feeling of electric car acceleration or motion, this is a physical attribute of an electric vehicle, to me it matters. I prefer my cars to be powered by gas, which I can easily pump and keep driving in minutes, I don't want to constrain myself by having to plan my daily routines and trips around charging my transport. I also like my air breathing sport car, something of a luxury, doesn't matter. I am not the only one who likes an actual automobile to ride in as opposed to an electric kettle.

My cars move me and passengers, they move anything inside them, they are comfortable, fast, they don't make me want to throw up at every take off and stop. They don't require me to carefully plan my routines and trips.

There is no benefit for me to switch to electric, while the negatives outweigh any perceived benefits. I believe you are mistaken in your comparison.

The question remains, if the market is not there, what will the manufacturers do with this stupid government mandate? If the market is there (you insist switching to an electric is like switching to a car from a horse, so the market should be there, right?) then why bother with any mandates?

How are the manufacturers supposed to go against the wishes of the customers? For example I will not buy an electric car, I own cars, I will own more cars, they will not be electric. Any company has to take into account that there are people who will not buy electric. The only real way for a government to force these is to set up subsidies at everyone else's expense. Sure, they can attempt and pass laws to make ICE cars illegal, however they will be voted out based on this alone and another set of people will be placed there who will not take away people's freedoms to this extent.

Really, so the benefits of computers are disproportionately derived by the wealthy? Except for all of the people who use them to make money today in every possible way, from video gaming, to just being developers, analysts, fintech guys, architects, farmers, clothing designers, etc.etc.etc. Also what are benefits? I am supposedly deriving benefits from communications, banking, transportation, energy, food, medicine, entertainment, clothing, and everything else that uses computers. What is this 'middle class' you are talking about by the way? The middle class grew by enormous numbers if you count the entire world and not only the USA. In China hundreds of millions of people have joined the middle class for example, so you are just pushing some nonsense that has no basis in reality.

Not sure about that particular detail. I met a farmer last year (sitting next to me on a cross-country flight). At one point, after I realized he was a pig farmer, I asked him about bacon... specifically, if there was an objective reason why bacon seemed to be so WILDLY "hit or miss", especially compared to what I (vaguely) remember from childhood.

He said most commercial pig farms in the US lean VERY heavily on a half-dozen commoditized breeds. I didn't remember the names, but I went and looked them up just now:

* "Berkshire" (the breed) is known for having exceptionally good flavor, marbling, and tenderness due to the distribution of its intramuscular fat. It's considered a "heritage" breed, originally from Britain (though now thoroughly Americanized). From what I read, they're now considered somewhat rare & ultra-premium in Britain... but are the third most common breed raised in the United States. Incidentally, the "Berkshire" name has nothing to do with "Berkshire Farms" or "Berkshire Hathaway".

* "Yorkshire" (Large White) and "Landrace" are the two breeds favored for export to China. Chinese buyers strongly prefer lean muscle and overall carcass size (particularly for the cuts Chinese buyers prefer... feet, heads, and organ meats). However, Yorkshire & Landrace pigs make shitty bacon, because they lack the fat-layering that gives American-style bacon its "streaky" appearance and tender, crispy texture.

Bacon is expensive now, too. Apparently, China used to buy lots of American pork, but Chinese consumers had little interest in bacon (or other products made from pork bellies)... so the result of Chinese consumers buying more and more American pork was a relative surplus of pork bellies available to sell in the US. Pork in general was more expensive (because American consumers were competing with Chinese consumers to buy American pork), but bacon was cheaper relative to pork in general than it had ever been in history.

That said... bacon available in the US is arguably a lot better now than it was a couple of years ago. The breed of pigs that produce the kind of pork considered highly desirable by Chinese consumers actually kind of SUCKS for making things like bacon. The surging popularity of those breeds is why we got to the point where someone picky about bacon literally had to pick through the entire stock at a store like Walmart or Publix, and sometimes had to walk away and go to another store entirely to find a pack or few of "good" bacon (with lots of well-marbled fat, vs being more like strips of thinly-sliced ham). Now that Chinese buyers have mostly walked away from American pork, American farmers have gone back to favoring the breed known for producing the variety of pork AMERICANS tend to prefer (and that makes really, really GOOD bacon).

Anyway, if what I wrote makes no sense... go to Walmart, and really LOOK at the bacon sold under Walmart's own brand. In particular, compare the appearance of the bacon in their 24oz packs to the bacon in their 12oz packs. Generally speaking, their supplier (at least, to their stores in Florida) uses the best parts of pork bellies to make the 24oz packs, and uses the worst leftover parts to make the 12oz packs. They still have plenty of shitty 24oz packs, and occasional decent 12oz packs, but the 24oz packs are the ones were you're the most likely to find nice, neat, strips of fatty bacon that microwaves flawlessly... while the 12oz packs are the ones most likely to be a mess of tailings and leathery tough meat. The 16oz packs fall somewhere in between... some good, mostly bad.

it takes 1-3milligram of cyanide per 1kg of weight for you to die. 1-3mg is about 1000000 smaller value than 1kg

orcs on Max, Mad Max. I think they should also switch from the unsafe oxygen to the government approved breathing mixture of putin's farts and healthy sulfuric acid vapors.