"To the first point: entire sectors have grown to depend on the employment of undocumented immigrants."

Yes, and those sectors pay no employee tax and probably very little if any business tax at all. They pay the "employees" very little some of whom are forced to by stuff from their employers because they're effective slaves. But yeah, other than than its all great.

"restaurant owners protested"

Only the dodgy ones who didn't want to pay a proper wage and tax.

"If you remove that workforce from the country, you automatically raise the cost of a number of things and you slow down the economy"

Oh dear, you really don't understand economics do you. Companies employing illegals and undercutting companies that try to do the right thing soon leads to the latter going out of business with criminals in charge of the former.

"The fact that it has worked in the past is irrelevant to the fact that it is unreliable in the present, and that nobody sane should bet on it being reliable in the future. It's not rocket science."

Well apparently it is rocket science to you since you believed the EU had kept the peace since WW2 which was 50 years before the EU was even created. But given your lack of basic knowledge elsewhere I'm not surprised.

Feel free to have the last word to make even more of a fool of yourself.

The trouble is its cant be handled by parents , kids are too savvy. And no, I dont know what the solution is either other than physically depriving them of their phones because this ban will work as well as it has in australia , ie not very well.

"What do you think would happen to European economies without all these migrants who are there illegally?"

Those illegals contribute nothing unless you're stupid enough to believe the black market adds to GDP, so the economies would do just fine, in fact probably somewhat better as there'd be less crime.

" Until it does, you are making my point for me."

So because the US is wavering now NATO had no influence on keeping the peace for the last 70 years? Wow, just wow, you really have drunk the Brussels kool aid.

Parliament - or at least an elected cabinet - should create the laws!

Oh spare me the EU prevented war meme. Ever heard of NATO? Some of the current EU members didn't even join until the 90s and 2000s and they weren't at war either!

"Additionally, the EU has generally lifted human rights upward."

Total BS. The current european human rights regime was codified after WW2 before the EU was even dreamt of.

"European convention on Human rights, which I hope we agree is a good thing."

No, its way past its sell by date and allows millions of illegal migrants to stay in europe.

Dont expect to get modded up for telling the truth. It makes libtards feel good to blame everything on racism even when as you say the immigration issue was with white Europeans at the time.

They already drove cars with the steering wheel on the left plus sweden had 1/10th population of the uk and traffic has increased somewhat since the 60s and the infrastructure costs would be in the 10s of billions.

When you're done you'll need to head over to Malta and cyprus too.

Unfortunately the EU has become a lot more than a trading coalition, that was the whole damn problem. No one had an issue with the EEC, then Mastricht happened which was a federalists wet dream. The EU is fundamentally undemocratic with the unelected commission making the rules and laws which the elected parliament get a yes no vote on. That's not democracy.

You do if you said you d said beforehand you d honour the result like cameron did.

""spiral clockwise" has a built in assumption of up and down. Every spiral staircase spirals clockwise...and anti-clockwise."

Sorry, no idea what point you're trying to make. The attackers are hardly likely to be coming from above - helicopters had yet to be invented. HTH.

"When my mother was a child, any child who was displayed left-handed traits was considered possessed and had their left hands restrained"

Right, because something that happened in one place in one era dictates what happened everywhere for all time.

Fucking idiot.

Most (not all) spiral staircases in medieval castles spiral clockwise so attackers coming up the stairs can't use their sword arm - which is normally the right arm - to attack the defenders. Meanwhile defenders coming down the other can use their right arm swing. Of course this may have just made left handed swordsmen rather valuable when storming a castle, who knows.

I dont want any AI on my phone. If I need any LLM drivel I can use the browser otherwise my phone and data is off limits.

What a load of crap. From "motorway" I'll assume you're a brit like me. Everytime I stop at motorway service stations the chargers are always busy and good luck finding many off the motorway network. Also no doubt you have the luxury of a home drive + charger. Those of us who live in terraced houses or flats don't have that option so using an expensive public charger would be the only choice and within a mile radius of my house there are SEVEN chargers that I know of - always busy - and I live in a city, not the middle of the country. I'll be keeping my 55mpg diesel for a while yet thanks.

It was flogged to death and then some. They must've done every story variation under the sun , probably multiple times. Whats the point of just doing the same thing with new actors and slightly better CGI? Instead of reanimating corpses of old series the money should be spent on something new instead.