I dont think the study in and of itself is bogus. After I RTFA, they flat out stated they did not have access to the type of information really required to make the study even more meanigful and for the Government to make real decisions about the services offered.

Also the part that is missing, in essence, is that with new bundling packages the competition is moot. The 120 a month you pay for the services (DSL / FIOS/ Cable) will change when your loss leader pricing ends. At which point the providers trot out the WOOLY MAMMOTH with a hard on just for you the consumer, in terms of price. Now if your lucky enough to live in an area where there are at least TWO service providers offering broadband, you can do the two provider two step (price loss leader ends switch service to new customer price loss leader, rinse, repeat cycle).

HOWEVER, If your in an area like myself, the community I live in has signed an X year exclusivity contract with the service provider. These communities who have signed EXCLUSIVITY DEALS with the service providers, in essence, have allowed the wooly mammoth to have his way with you. These exclusivity deals bar other Service providers from competing for a set period of time so the exclusive provider to the community can make a profit on their intial investment. The community gets a nice FEE (Legal BRIBE I SAY) in exchange for giving the service provider the right to public land use to run their cables (which the service provider pays for). So this exclusive provider who makes the investment in the materials and the running of the intial infrastructure are granted a goverment sactioned monopoly on the market, and are allowed to recoup the expense on the back of the consumer who wishes to use their service. So you have a choices - Wait through the loss leader and prepare for the elephant with a hard on, Wait through the loss leader and cancel for X number of months to become a "new customer again", or go without that broadband service.

Now because of this deal once the loss leader expires you finally get to see the TRUE PRICE you would pay which is insane! Being in a job that requires connectivity and 3G/4G not being as flushed out as HardLine, I get the choice of taking the wooly mammoth hardon in the rear with not so much as a kiss. So with that being said, I can agree to what the researchers have found and tack on the dirty secret that communities in exchange for legal bribes (read fees) also skew that price because again their is no competition in the area.

I would recommend you talk to your doctor about switching off of welbutrin and to something else. It doesnt sound like its really working for you and I only say this because I can relate very well to your post. By switching, I know alot of those issues you are describing decreased substantially when i finally told the doctor that welbutrin wasnt working very well for me. He cycled me through a few different medications until we hit on the drug that was right for me. So don't give up and try a different drug, you may find the results to be WHOLE lot better. Also, with the right drug you may not have any of the - ummmm....performance issues related to the condition.

My daughter also has a simliar issue with ADHD. We basically were told by the school she was immature, however, when we pressed them how they came to the conclusion they relayed to us their observations. Taking their observations, we pad even closer attention to her and her interactions with things. We always assumed it was boredom or unintersting to her, however, with the additional information from a neutral third party we noticed a very distinctive pattern of behavior we were over looking. After bringing up the concern with the doctor and her testing, the diagnose was made. We then took her to another doctor for a second opinon, and recieved the same diagnose (this was done without informing the second doctor of the original diagnose). We then tried some drug therapies with her and things did improve. Unfortunately, the drugs available to her (because of her age) had side effects that were unacceptable.

So, while people will say "let kids be kids", "it's a bunch of made up baloney", "bad parenting can not be fixed with medication", or other simliar sayings - I don't think they have ever had to deal with what you describe very well. I do also think though, there are a lot of cases where doctors are too quick to medicate and parents can be to fast to say OK, GO AHEAD. But with proper testing and diagnoses, coupled with a second opinion, ADHD can be treated and managed. I will say it is a definite quality of life improvement for myself.

I understand that the information came from the military, the information is still "classified", however to basically tell soldiers that they may not look while enemies and others outside the military arena may look is a bit disingenuous. I Understand the ramification of their looking but the real quandary to this whole wiki leaks debacle is - you cant put the genie back in the bottle once its been released. So to me I suppose when I see something like this - what are the brass truly afraid of that the military personnel on the ground will see? I wouldn't disagree with you but with a public release can it still be considered "classified" at that point? If it can't because it is now public, what is the harm from letting those on the ground see it?

Yes, the rats tend to jump shit er.....ship after the iceberg is hit - or maybe in this case - the information being released is made public. I think that with the exposure wikileaks gets from all the different media sources (including /. ) that it lends more credibility to what they have. If the military maybe were to igonore maybe the problem would go away?

seems the military might be afraid what i s leaked me thinks....

The problem is blackmail of this nature is even easier for any half baked idiot who knows a thing or two about computers. The ability to disprove is also not hat hard for a computer geek as well. However, you are dealing with the general public who knows very little to nothing about computers so anything like this gives them ample reason to doubt that a frame up or black mail could be taking place. Its there on his PC - therefore he must have done it. Oh well when the majority of people catch up in basic understanding of how computers functions maybe justice will one day be available and people will understand just because something is "on yor pc" doesnt necessarily mean that the person who owns it did it. Just my 2 cents that will never be read - lol

I think the major point the poster was trying to get across is that - personal responsibility is the part that is left by the way side when things are mandated by the "govt". People hav become lazy and choose instead to find a way to affix blame or to be beholden to the feeling fo entitlement as a whole. I would argue you have always had the freedom of access to a great deal of things - including health care even if you had a "pre-exisiting condition". What you didnt have though was an inexpensive way to insure yourself and a limited number of companies who were willing to provide that insurance in the first place (since it is a known money loser to the business). So I wouldnt say libetarianism is in itself a bad thing or that they advocate crazy freedoms no one wants, i would say though they point to personal responsibiility above the nanny state that is being furthered pushed down our throats. I personally walk between that line in that I recognize some freedoms must be compromised for the "common intrests of all", however, I feel that too many look to others for solutions instead of looking to themselves.

So no reply except name calling - question answered

You ask me How I expect you to refer to people that belive in something other than what your entenched mind believes - How about by keeping your derogatory opinion to yourself.

How many "delusional" people are there who believe in a "God" - Estimated 2.1 BILLION.

How many people who belive as you, less than 150 million (atheist / agnostics). If your just undecided then I will be generous and say less than 750 million (Source 1: http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html) (Source 2: http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm)

So if you do not believe in God or aliens, it is your right but I will point out two things about the scientific credo - 1) all beliefs must be supported by observational evidence, and 2) beliefs that contradict observational evidence cannot be tolerated. So, even though observational evidence indicates that the universe itself has a cause that cannot be detected observationally - the lack of observational evidence for a naturalistic cause for the universe contradicts the tenet that all beliefs should be based upon observational evidence. Thats why I say crap shoot.

If you do not see science as an antonym of religion and see science as science then your in a bit of a bind with your own beliefs.

Now I have cited some more of my sources and yet you havent cited a single one to support your own belief. We may agree to disagree but I find the fact I get modded down and my karma suffers because I do not always follow the mainstream again deplorable. If you do not want to be called out then do not make a statement you can not back - I have now backed my statements. If you choose not to respond then I will just assume you are a coward who spouts off at the mouth and should be discarded as a crackpot as you so eloquently have labeled me.

Lastly, I believe that based on the article itself Churchhill again did what he thought was right at the time based on how the world viewed things at that time. I do not say aliens do not exist but I can not say that they do either. I guess I will have to take it on "faith" that they may since their is circumstantial evidence linking to that supposed existense.

Now if I have made myself clear, please feel free to respond in kind and if you want more sources I will be happy to provide them.

I suppose beyond finding your post offensive ints deragotory nature, I will at least provide what i think is a decent reply to your statement. First and foremost, go to wikipedia (not perfect source I admit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur) the term dinasour wasnt even a term till the middle 1800's prior to that they were referred to a lizards or dragons. Carbon dating has been proved time and again an inaccurate measure of age so we can only theorize how old something really is (best educated guesstimate) unless there is very clear documentation as to the age. As far as aliens, It may be plausible but agin no real evidence has ever been preented to substantiate they exist (again theory). Lastly, why attack anyone elses belief - its all a gamble anyway.

To the rest in this thread, I guess everytime i see something like this or simliar posts on slashdot making fun of christians, jews, muslims, whatever because they have belief's that are not strictly based on "pure science" it just irks me. The article is about Churchill and a decision he made be it right or wrong based on what he had to deal with at the time. The trolls did a great job as usual pulling everyone in a religios vs science bash and detracting what the discussion was in the first place. Oh well this is /. after all.....Moving on.....

Well shitty old mirrors are good for something afterall like the discussions you mentioned, of course depending on how shitty and warped could make me look thinner which is always a plus, however, gooey drippy stuff? needs to be checked by a professional :))

It is not real diamond coating or sapphire coating, it is simply a chemical coating that alters the strength of the glass or substantially changes the glass characteristics: Guardian Glass. The applications of these materials are varied and not every manufacturer has the same type of applications or processes. So it stands that Corning may be the one in this space for the moment.

If I was to take an educated guess based on the little I know, Everything would depend on how the mirror itself was manufactured. If it is one of those mirrors that the silver (which isn't a real silver anyway) is essentially layered on the back and then coated with a protective layer (aka the black stuff) then heated over time it is completely plausible the mirror backing may become distorted. There is nothing on the glass itself to stop the suns rays from constantly exciting the backing. On a separate note, today's mirrors come in different qualities. Some are actually sputter coated and bonded directly to the surface and not to the back, those are the mirrors used in really high end stuff like telescopes and TV's, which I highly doubt would bend or warp over time. Again, all depends on how the mirror itself was made and the materials used in the manufacture.