The people at Debian who chose to adopt systemd with less than the usual amount of debate, and at other distributions as well. I thought you participated in these discussions at the time? Guess not.

sysvinit has never stopped me from booting, but systemd has. In fact I got into a situation where in order to troubleshoot booting, I would have had to use a debugger. That's when I noped out forever.

sysvinit with startpar and the LSB-derived daemon management boilerplate is more than adequate. If you want to use another init system, feel free, but there is absolutely no justification for deprecating sysvinit. You do not need sleep commands, you need to read the headers of some init scripts and see that they contain dependency information, then use dependency chaining to ensure that scripts fire in the correct order. It's really not different from filling out the appropriate fields of a unit file.

Middle class jobs? They sure don't fucking pay like middle class jobs. Most people who think they are in the middle class are in fact not.

That's not how it's going to work. In the past you'd replace people with automation and then they'd go get a job that was harder to automate. Well, now the job that's harder to automate requires a four year degree or better, and they're looking at automating that job away as well.

Humanity punted on sharing the wealth when this became an issue, but now there's no more time to waste not solving it, because we're at an inflection point. You're going to care if your job is lost to automation today if the other job you were going to do is lost to automation tomorrow.

Nobody said otherwise but you had to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that you missed the point.

The Luddites didn't say we shouldn't advance technology. They said that the advances in technology should benefit everyone, not just the capitalists at the top of the pyramid.

You are attacking a position that not even the Luddites held. Enjoy playing with your straw man, but you are adding absolutely nothing to the conversation.

You mean the nuclear playboys agitating to spend OUR MONEY on foolish bullshit that we don't need, and in fact we'd get more for OUR MONEY elsewhere? Your childish vagueposting doesn't specify and there's no need to announce your departure as this is not an airport, just fuck off already.

You're not accounting for lifecycle footprint, and you're also using an irrelevant metric. We have lots of room for solar.

It's not an either-or discussion? So you're going to pay for both things to happen? Because here in the really real world, budgets are finite.

You seem to be latched on to numbers that don't matter in order to justify your OOH NEATO GLOWING ROCKS MAKE POWER fetish.

So what does that have to do with you?

With dry-cooler-based designs, itâ(TM)s a closed-loop system with no evaporative water cooling â" outside of maybe 1% of the year when we might need chillers in some climates.â

Which in the really real world of global warming, can rapidly turn into a lot more than 1%. And designs like what's described above are IN THE MINORITY.

If you want to present yourself as knowing something about a subject, you'd better not immediately prove you don't, as you did here.

So then why are you bothering to howl? IDGAF, even a little bit.

While this is true, those jobs are few in number.

Historically, little. The bulk of DCs have typically been located where people could go to them because that used to be more necessary, and therefore they were concentrated around tech firms. And they were planned out years in advance, and mostly sited where it made sense. They also weren't maximally power-dense, as there were other considerations. AI DCs are more power intensive, as they're shoving as many processors and as much memory as possible into every rack. And they're building them fast and desperately, so anywhere they can find to cram them in.

That means yes, noise issues, but also lots of other problems associated with rapidly installing extremely power intensive facilities in awkward locations when infrastructure is already strained. Resulting issues with power and water availability are now well documented.

Good thing they are nowhere near having a monopoly then

I agree. The existing players themselves would increase capacity in hope of outcompeting one another if they thought this would last.

Nope. There will be more idiots behind them.

Things systemd doesn't do for 200, Alex

Rent free.

Yeah but in practice virtually zero of them are actually closed loop. Even when it is claimed they are there is often a cooling tower which is used sometimes, which means they only sometimes operate in a closed loop mode.

Godwin's law obviously has no modern relevance given that it was invented for USENET and that was effectively destroyed.

Now seriously though it never spoke to whether or not the comparisons to Hitler were apt, as that is situational, only that they would occur.

And sidebar, Mike Godwin explicitly stated that such a comparison is apt when it comes to der pedofuhrer. Just like to toss that in there.