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Comment Re:Draft "Problem Report" entry (Score 1) 141

To be fair, ODF started out as a documentation of the 'StarOffice XML' format.

True. And that is in fact a legitimate starting point for the process of developing a standard. Of course back when it was just the 'StarOffice XML' format, no-one insisted on pushing it down everyone's throat as an international standard. Rather, Sun got all interested parties together, and a real standard was developed by means of requesting and taking under consideration everyone's input on needed changes.

OOo will always follow the standard rather than define the standard. A standard isn't defined by one product, it is something that products follow.

Yes, exactly.

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

Effective propaganda: The "open" in OOXML's name together with the OOXML specification being called a "standard" by Ecma, etc. We all suffer from information overload and are not able to think though and reach the stage of true understanding regarding all issues. In the absence of any well-known credible and truly objective authorities on the issue, we should not be surprised by the effectiveness of Microsoft's propaganda.


Submission + - Article: Ubuntu - beyond the hype (

Rob Teng writes: "To start of 2008, an in depth article: Ubuntu — Beyond the Hype has just been posted. The article discusses the merits of Ubuntu, going way beyond installation, configuration and into daily use, highlights and shortcomings, touching on Kubuntu and Xubuntu as well. From the article: "All users of any other distribution have seen this, myself included. We've seen Ubuntu proponents diss our own distribution (doesn't matter which one that is). We've seen the claims being made that Ubuntu is the first to get right what any other distribution "has not gotten right yet", whereas we sometimes know that this is incorrect. We've read the comments how Ubuntu is ready for the masses where all other distributions are not there yet.
In short, we've seen and read the hype.
On the other hand, like all Linux distributions I have used so far, Ubuntu is a full fledged Linux system. On top of the myriad of software packages, easy installation, up to date hardware support, Ubuntu sports some really great features (such as Synaptic and apt-get, sudo and the whole method of system administration) that it inherits from Debian. It's a very usable if not enjoyable system."
BTW Happy New Year!"


Submission + - Review of OOXML

nb writes: "Concerned about the implications of the intolerable and closed processes of Ecma and ISO/IEC and the obvious corruption of several national decision-making committees, one member of a national standardization body has decided to step out of the confines of the ISO/IEC process and launch with a Call For Participation for creating a "problem report" document about OOXML that can help ISO/IEC national member bodies with evaluating whether the changes that will be decided at the OOXML "Ballot Resolution Meeting" (BRM) in February are sufficient to address OOXML's most serious problems. After the BRM, national ISO/IEC member bodies have the opportunity of changing their vote."

Submission + - Microsoft loses EU appeal

rcasha2 writes: Microsoft has lost its appeal against the EU fine of almost 500m / $700m. Microsoft could still appeal again at the European Court of Justice. More important than the fine, however, is the confirmation of the ruling that Microsoft must share with competitors information needed for interoperability. This ruling could have an effect on such products as Samba, email clients etc.

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