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Comment Sanger's Wikipedia page (Score 4, Insightful) 214

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

> He has argued that, despite its merits, Wikipedia lacks credibility and accuracy due to a lack of respect for expertise. Since 2020, he has also accused Wikipedia of having a left-wing ideological bias in its articles.

[9] Sabur, Rozina (July 16, 2021). "The Left has taken over Wikipedia and stripped it of neutrality, says co-creator". The Telegraph. ISSN 0307-1235. Archived from the original on January 12, 2022. Retrieved December 2, 2021. Mr Sanger added that "very little" reference to scandals and allegations against the Bidens, for instance relating to their business dealings in Ukraine, could be found on Wikipedia.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/wo...

[10] Sayers, Freddie (July 14, 2021). "Wikipedia co-founder: I no longer trust the website I created". UnHerd (Podcast). UnHerd. Archived from the original on May 27, 2022. Retrieved May 25, 2022.
  "Wikipedia co-founder: I no longer trust the website I created"

My opinion: It does seem there's plenty of tribalism these days. More than enough to go around and make it questionable as to what is truly neutral anyway. Common context & shared beliefs/views/integrity and whats important are viewed very differently by a lot of groups -- including here on slashdot too.

Comment Re:Does this mean Sam Altman's going to prison? (Score 2) 72

Not really, cheating on exams can tarnish academic integrity and is a menace to society at large. Do you want to have heart surgery performed by someone who didn't know their shit, and cheated on their exams? Do you want to drive over a bridge design by a guy who doesn't understand structural analysis, or be represented by someone who faked their way through law school?

Besides which academic reputation is worth a lot to university and colleges, and they know it. If they didn't stomp on this now their reputation will turn to shit, and no one will want to enroll there. That can have a big impact on enrollment numbers and by extension their bottom line.
 

Let me first state that I *strongly* agree with the points above when applied with *broad strokes*. Cheating across the board is a danger.

Yet in the constant effort to show that most things aren't black and white, but often have shades in between... lets be more targeted and nuanced.

  I can't be the only one who took "garbage" courses that I still think decades later the University was stupid to require...

TLDR: The academic process isn't quite an ala carte menu... You are often forced to take courses that you believe/know you will never use...
And in that case (returning to the topic above)-- the argument breaks down a bit in that who cares if it's a one-off here or there..

Examples:
1. (say Intro to Computer Science which was required, even though I'd been programming for years. And yes in hindsight I should have challenged and tested out of that course).

That one (and a couple other "Intro to engineering" courses) I despised and still don't respect to this day that the University told me I had to pay to take this in order to advance on a curriculum that they determined.

2. Introduction to Material Science (100 level course)
3. Heat Transfer (300 level course)

I enrolled in an engineering school, because it had a better reputation than the Arts & Sciences that Computer Programming was in at the time (20-30 years ago, no idea about what it looks like now). I knew as a programmer (and that being my love) that these other courses were not things I was going to use. But if I wanted the degree, then I had to take them.

And no I didn't cheat, but being forced to take courses like that at the time irritated me greatly and I've never forgotten. I understand why they were required for the fields I might go into-- I just knew I wasn't going into. I have never used those things I paid for with time & money...

Example 4> A friend of my dad's was I think an accountant -- he was continuing education and the school required him to take a computer programming course for whatever program he was in... he didn't get programming enough to be sure to pass the course and (being near the end of his career IIRC) was doing this more for his own learning -- but wanted (for personal reasons I guess) to complete the program but was frustrated by the program he was in requiring him to take this one CS course to get whatever "overall degree/certificate" he was doing, knowing he would never really use it.

Example 5>. Other examples likely exist -- e.g. people who are really sick with a longer/serious health issue, but know that if they take the final / fail this one required course with a professor who's an unforgiving/unhelpful/uncompromising jerk who's now or never you're going to mess your life up... (given the realities of student life, money & life events that you sometimes know in advance)....

Just another issue with how University's do things, and the problem with the Our Way or the Highway that is baked into the degree process.
It is what it is, and I think if you go the academic route you should pay the price and you are paying in some senses for their reputation and way of doing things.

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Yearslong Fight Over Users' Right To Tweak Smart TV Software Heads To Trial (arstechnica.com) 66

A long-running lawsuit over Vizio's Linux-based smart TV software is headed to trial in August, with the Software Freedom Conservancy arguing that GPL rules require Vizio to release complete source code owners could use to modify, maintain, or strip ads and tracking from their TVs. Ars Technica reports: The outcome could reverberate across the industry. Because many of today's popular smart TV operating systems are Linux-based, the case may help determine how much control many owners have over their sets. Access to the full code would allow users to make meaningful changes to how their TVs work, including limiting ads or deactivating automatic content recognition.

[...] The Software Freedom Conservancy argues it has the right to Vizio OS's source code because it owns several Vizio TVs and because the operating system is based on Ubuntu, a Linux distribution. (SFC employees bought seven Vizio TVs from 2018 to 2021 after getting complaints about Vizio not sharing its TVs' source code, according to the complaint.) In general, the Linux kernel is provided under the terms of GPLv2, as noted by kernel.org, which is run by the Linux Kernel Organization.

SFC's lawsuit alleges that Vizio breached GPLv2 and LGPLv2.1 by failing to make available the complete source code for Vizio OS. The case is currently in the Orange County Superior Court of the State of California. The lawsuit targets Vizio specifically, but the impact could extend to other Linux-based smart TV OSes such as LG's webOS, Samsung's Tizen, and Roku's Roku OS. "We expect all companies who distribute Linux and other software using right-to-repair agreements like the GPL in their products would comply with these agreements," Denver Gingerich, the director of compliance at SFC, told Ars. [...] SFC expects a ruling within three to six months of the conclusion of the trial, which is currently scheduled for August 10.

Comment Re:Brilliant 4d chess! (Don cut WHO support) (Score 1) 160

Which every political groups is influenced by.

> Being a skeptic or untrusting of political malarky is probably a wise way to go these days regardless of which party/agenda/ideology is being pushed.

Perfect humans don't exist, but some groups are full of more shit than others.

Yes, and most of the policy and laws comes from the political branches of governments. While you and I may disagree on which groups are more full of crap, we do at least seem to agree that there are plenty of people who aren't truthful with full disclosure, and questioning things is a somewhat worthy endeavor. I tend to question both sides, but do find one side complains more loudly about the other...

Comment Re:Brilliant 4d chess! (Don cut WHO support) (Score 0) 160

Yes, brainworm intuition is better than those rigged bribed scientists from woke universities.

On a serious note, MAGAs often make a fatal logic flaw: that if subject matter experts are wrong "too often", that means their detractors are automatically right. But it's quite possible for BOTH to be wrong on many matters. Contrarians can make a living as "broken clock miners".

Or maybe if people consistently get things wrong there's an agenda... --> people who have a bridge to sell...
Or maybe the evidence is incomplete (COVID -- the vaccine will keep you from getting it...)
Or maybe the research is immature (COVID -- the vaccine will keep you from getting it...)
Or maybe (like marketing) they ran the numbers til they got the results they wanted (9 out of 10 dentists) -- [see how to lie with statistics]
Or maybe it's groupthink (e.g. academia not representing the populace) [https://www.efinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/EFI-PoliticalDonations_JGreene.pdf]
Or maybe it's something else...

Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice...

There is a reason these proverbs and wisdom exist.
Being a skeptic or untrusting of political malarky is probably a wise way to go these days regardless of which party/agenda/ideology is being pushed.

Comment Re: Who cares? You don't need 5GB of storage! (Score 2) 99

I agree with your first point about hygiene-- and TLDR: That's WORK and doesn't work so well in some cases... That's why people "need" 5GB of mail.

THE 1 %:
I think we agree on the 1% of emails/photos you need. There are emails I've lost to time (pre-Gmail) that I would love to have back.
( Every now and again I do go back to look some friend up or something that I haven't emailed in years -- people do have lifetime events that make it so you want to get together once every 10 years (think reunions, or special trips where you're going to visit that person who moved to a foreign country).

THE PROBLEM:
The problem, to keep that 1% of valuable emails means having to sort through all the garbage that you kept when you had loads of space and were younger and didn't have the hygiene and discipline. It's manageable (if you keep at it every day).

Having spent several hours (4+) going back and cleaning out a few years of mail-- I can say that once you're behind the power curve, you're not really going to catch up. (It's the same thing with photos and undoubtedly why your family has tons of it).

So while you may be disciplined -- and I salute you for it-- most people don't have that discipline or desire to use their time that way. And thus "free" storage seemed like a win/win -- keeping those important emails without the cost of good hygiene. My wife (who intentionally doesn't upgrade her phone often and often is running out of memory) does have good photo hygiene keeping only the best pictures, or off loading the larger files she wants to keep on to other storage...

I know there are apps out there that could probably help with this (for photos anyway -- although I don't know how well they work). Definitely could use something like this for Gmail... :)

Comment Re: fuck you. (Score 3, Insightful) 151

Hmm World War II comes to mind (without much effort).
We didn't take over Germany or Japan -- we helped rebuild them & feed them somewhat too after the war.
But guess that doesn't fit your narrative of America as constant oppressor. So do you support WWII Germany and Japan and we should have not fought them?
I mean yeah, we decided to bomb Japan first -- oh, no it was the other way around.

And Korea? Vietnam? -- don't think the goal there was ever to take the land, but to try to spread democracy.
I'm not well enough versed in history or the Korean war to know if South Korea appreciated our involvement in the war. But I sure do know that I happen to like what South Korea does and lives (with whom we are aligned) a heck of a lot more than the North Korean dictatorship that constantly starves and kills its own people.

But sure, America bad... And by that logic, you bad too dude for such an unfair and exaggerated point of view that ignores the good that was and is done by the United States and paints defending itself (from Japan) and helping defeat Nazi germany as oppression, genocide, land & resource theft, etc.

Comment Re:Adulting isn't fun (Score 1) 94

I see your response was to call a reasoned argument childish. And also you help make my point (without realizing it-- oh the irony!)

There were plenty of mistakes and misstatements about COVID. I admit it was an unusual time and situation. And yes there are bound to be mistakes.
But that doesn't excuse or counter my point... It actually strengthens it.

Was the administration doing their best-- I believe they likely were. They (and more relevantly towards this thread), the MEDIA just weren't very nice with people who disagreed with them or had a different set of results from the science that was being done, or had different analysis. Going towards your original point -- truth and its discovery (or lack of bias) often tends to be messy.

Strange how this thing called truth often tends to be inconvenient towards political ideologies and cover stories and things that aren't always true. Sometimes information is successfully suppressed... And there are idiots on both sides. And yes your cousin may have been one of them.

As you said, navigating COVID was hard. It is however incredibly unwise to go down an unchartered road and then declare (as the government and media tended to do together) that yes we have and are the science, and anyone else with different ideas is wrong.

If it's hard and unchartered, you should be very careful about sharing what you know *as scientific certainty* -- which was the mistake made by the government, and the media (the theoretical 4th wall to check the government) went right along with it. So much of what the government said (and was amply repeated by the media) turned out to be wrong over and over again. Thus the media failed at its job -- you said '"reporting the truth (AKA doing their job) and controversy, "

When something has a high degree of uncertainty-- if you're honest in your science and math you dont' supress it, you admit the possibility of uncertainty (see all those polticial polls), and you also admit that there are other possible explanations of the facts (and why you believe yours to be correct, but admit that it's not conclusively proven). The Media didn't really fact check or allow other positions ** importantly that turned out that many of the alternate view points ** were correct.
And yes you can say I'm agreeing with the idiots (as opposed to the scientists and doctors who voiced concerns).

See: https://journalofindependentme...
Or (before Trump won the election): https://reason.com/2023/04/12/...

You make my case for me -- by showing that media & government should have been more cautious. Adults in the room listen to both sides and try to make as informed a decision as one can. And those of us who listen to both sides and do our best not to live in the echo-chamber (which is the unfortunate side of having a biased media is to get positions and counter positions you have to listen & read & importantly THINK about both sets of arguments) can then make a reasoned decision.

I suppose since you call my reasoned arguments childish because they don't agree with your worldview, I'm not talking to someone who actually knows how to reason and instead relies on name calling to try to win arguments. Best of luck to you with that.

Comment Re:Controversy is their bias, not Right/Left (Score 1) 94

When a Democrat is in office? The news is 24/7 about Clinton's blowjob...or Biden's senility...or Obama's struggles getting anything passed. When a Bush was in office, it was about the war not going as expected or the failing economy. They're equally merciless to either party.

Mainstream news outlets have only had 2 biases in my lifetime: reporting the truth (AKA doing their job) and controversy, which pays the bills. Yeah, negativity and fear and sex get you to pay attention. Otherwise, you'll do the 1 billion more interesting things you can do in your day than watch the nightly news.
 

Agree on the biases about courting controversy -- and what they are *supposed* to do.
However, I don't believe you're correct about media being unbiased... (i mean both mainstream and non mainstream media -- in my opinion, all media is biased these days).

Because in your world, the Hunter Biden story wasn't buried (pre-election) by the so called "mainstream" media and the media all investigated & reported frequently on President Biden's mental ability or challenges thereof (after the election before his debate with Trump), and there was no mis-reporting of COVID at all (or burying/mocking of people who didn't go along with the official position)...

I think you get the idea of there being a series of "too big to miss" biases and failures on the media's part in reporting showing that they have more than the 2 biases you mention.

To show the error in your statement another way -- when my brother years ago had to go to traffic school for a ticket, I was told that the police/instructors said that an average citizen makes sometype of mistake for which they can be pulled over ever 2 city blocks. Now, there's an opportunity to pull an average citizen over every couple of blocks -- but if the police officer pulls over those of a certain group he doesn't like 2x more than the group he does -- that doesn't mean there isn't bias even if he gives the group he likes a hard time and a ticket every now and again.

There's at least some recognition of the media's fall from grace: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/t...
(current story, although I know I've seen it reported elsewhere).

People don't trust the media-- and it could be said to be because there have been too many times (left & right) that um "excuse me, your bias is showing".

Comment Re:At some point....they catch on... (Score 2) 359

Just to make an observation that I think has largely been ignored about school biases (not that I've read all the comments on this page).
(And i'm responding to your points, but others also made on this page...)

This isn't just about students. It's also about the teachers (who are doing the teaching with some power/influence even if almost always used in the cause of raising people up) too.

https://www.efinstitute.org/wp...
(as one source -- demonstrates with some data that the teachers tend to be signifcantly on the democratic side, even in red states...-- but it was a random search, I don't know the quality/bias of the efinstitute).

So I agree that those going into college likely are more liberal to begin with. There's an old adage that if you're not liberal when young you have no heart and if you're not conservative when older you have no brain...

Regardless, if (and I know this is an assumption that some don't agree with) we treasure education and diversity of points of view, then it's an easy leap to see how a single-sided political ideology representation can have influence. E.g. political ideology naturally enters into all sorts of higher level education topics: (social justice/inequality, politics, philosophy, law, etc.). We might think that it doesn't enter that much into math/science/etc. However, there are plenty of science clearly kills religion teachers out there... -- they may not be focused on it, "preaching" it or teaching it, but those viewpoints are bound to creep in as they make a passing comments.

Hopefully it doesn't really matter (and it shouldn't matter) if someone is teaching something that is their opinion & belief along with something that they are supposed to be teaching as the expert and authoritatively. Yet if an individual/student never meets the enlightened counterpoint -- which matters again only if you value diversity of thought & points of view-- then you miss out on other points of view. If you don't value diversity of thought & points of view -- e.g. if one side is right then you're probably not far from fascism or any other ideology that demands conformance to "correct thought".

As an example, for example I've heard people say that Evolution proves there is no need for God. I've also seen an interesting exploration of an idea that uses science & information theory to make a case for God (via Intelligent Design): https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Does this settle anything? No. But it does at least expose that there are multiple ways of viewing the world and how we got here (and maybe they're not all idiotic).

And then one other danger that can occur (assuming we want diversity of thought being taught at college).
There can be cases of people who can fire/blacklist/harrass/etc. those who they don't agree with...
I don't know if this one is true -- who knows again-- but it certainly seems like someone got let go because of commentary they made on a social issue:
        https://scnr.com/article/teach...
And maybe the truth is that it was for something non-political. Who knows?

But as a thought experiment it's very simple to see how once you get to a certain majority of views, you *can* move to a super majority (that isn't necessarily right or representative) done by admins/peers/etc. who don't share your ideas.

Where's the truth? I don't know. Every school is different. Every side (left & ride) has its nutjobs.
But for me it is a somewhat interesting point that *the educators* at least seem to be overwhlemingly liberal.
(Maybe because they're smart and smart people are liberal. That's one possible explanation.
Another -- maybe conservatives just naturally don't go into education that much. Another possible explanation
Another -- maybe there is some peer pressure / rejection of conservatives is another possible explanation.)
I don't really know.

What i do know is that when you're hiring for a position I think most people will hire the people they like and not the ones they don't.
And if they don't like the ideas on the other side (in some way they can tell) then it can also be very natural to end up only with those of one ideology plus the non-conflicting ideology-- with the other ideology not represented.

To conclude:
I think a very liberal idea is that we should practice civil discourse.
"Civil discourse is the practice of deliberating about matters of public concern with others in a way that seeks to expand knowledge and promote understanding."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Unfortunately rather than be civil, some (on both sides) would rather be correct and celebrate put-downs and insults and the obvious stupidity of the "other" side.
And perhaps without the good type of collegial example being more common (whether in University or elsewhere) the world is a lesser place for it.

Comment Re:You mean realists? (Score 1) 211

I know you weren't trying to argue for free markets -- but I do like some of the points you make!

  I like that you point out that regulation is needed. I agree, in that there needs to be some sense of "rules" or "laws" that ensure how some (hopefully widely agreed upon) definition of fair and free markets should work. E.g. regulating it as necessary, rewarding/enabling "fair" trades/exchange/commerce and penalizing those that abuse that ideal version of the "fair"/"free" market.

Ignoring that-- and recognizing that we need regulation & wisdom as consumers, I think an interesting aspect of the above challenge we face is the matter of scale and how that has changed things.

I have often thought that legislation, policy, regulation, etc. and consumers view of the market has and will continue to have massive challenges given the frequency with which change (in technology especially) happens and the scale it enables. For example, right now there is a lot of questions about AI and how to regulate it... which is sort of nice to hear that there's at least some thought for how it should be regulated before complete disaster strikes. AI is just the latest though in a series of disruptions over the past several decades.

  I think it's also instructive to look at how the "free market" used to work before the internet, before globalization, etc. Going back a hundred years or two, imagine processing 1000s of information transactions a second in 1825 or 1925. Similarly, shipping expenses would have made buying things from "far away" (whether that meant a few states away, or countries across the sea) more expensive and therefore there were less businesses that would set up a factory in one (cheaper to manufacture place) to then mass deliver components to other factories (in other places) to then assemble and deliver the products to yet another far away place.

I think that many systems and ways of doing things existed for hundreds of years, and in localized & smaller markets. The world has changed a lot in the past 100 years-- and what's best (policy-wise, marketwise, regulation wise) barely gets time to soak (much less be cooked) on the global stage before the next new thing is disrupting things and changing the way the world works... There is also much less humanity in all these automated systems & corporations that operate & play at a global scale.

Notes:

1) before you would have had many more ma & pa shops, and less Walmarts, less Amazons, and other corporate giants & tyrants that squeeze every ounce of humanity away in the process of pursuing profit to the tune of data driven profit & performance, corporate profits, etc. Consumers often trade convenience and cheaper prices for the loss of that humanity... And then the consolidations begin (in the race to the bottom) and pretty soon there are only a few major players left and both consumers & employees who would work in those industries have less choice.

2) The changes in the industrial revolution (train,planes & automobiles) and information tech age -- are not minor changes to our society. Think of the following technologies (and I'm sure there are more) that didn't exist even 50 years ago: internet*, social medial, online purchasing, AI, cellphones --> smartphones, etc). I imagine similar changes in businesses (startups with their public IPOs, MBAs, the ability to leverage one market into another, to be a monopoly or quasi-monopoly and not get broken up,etc.). The industry moves so fast that setting good policy, regulatory framework, and laws around this (a back and forth process that if it happens well, takes time...).

3) I'm not arguing we should go back to the stone-ages, not use Amazon, etc. I enjoy my cell-phone & other modern perks often just as much as the next person. That said I feel like -- to borrow from Michael Chricton's and Jurassic Park wisdom -- “[People] are actually preoccupied with accomplishment. So they are focused on whether they can do something. They never stop to ask if they should do something.” Move fast and break things is great perhaps on the small, but not so much in the big. And we've been doing things bigly for better or worse for the past hundred years ... I'm always hoping we can figure out how to do things for the better for humanity (as well as from a tech side).

United States

Largest Dam Removal In US History Is Complete (bbc.com) 104

The largest dam removal project in U.S. history has been completed with the demolition of four dams on the Klamath River, marking a significant victory for tribal nations on the Oregon-California border who have long fought to restore the river to its natural state. However, as CNN's Rachel Ramirez and the BBC's Lucy Sherriff both highlight, the restoration of salmon populations and surrounding ecosystems is "only just beginning." From the report: The removal of the four hydroelectric dams -- Iron Gate Dam, Copco Dams 1 and 2, and JC Boyle Dam -- allows the region's iconic salmon population to swim freely along the Klamath River and its tributaries, which the species have not been able to do for over a century since the dams were built. Mark Bransom, chief executive officer of the Klamath River Renewal Corporation, the nonprofit group created to oversee the project, said it was a "celebratory moment," as his staff members, conservationists, government officials and tribal members gathered and cheered on the bank of the river near where the largest of the dams, Iron Gate, once stood. [...] The Yurok Tribe in Northern California are known as the "salmon people." To them, the salmon are sacred species that are central to their culture, diet and ceremonies. As the story goes, the spirit that created the salmon also created humans and without the fish, they would cease to exist. Amy Bowers-Cordalis, a member of and general counsel for the Yurok Tribe, said seeing those dams come down meant "freedom" and the start of the river's "healing process." [...]

The utility company PacifiCorps -- a subsidiary of Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway Energy -- built the dams in the early to mid-1900s, without tribal consent, to generate electricity for parts of the growing West. But the dams severely disrupted the lifecycle of the salmon, blocking the fish from accessing their historic spawning grounds. Then there's the climate crisis: Warm water and drought-fueled water shortages in the Klamath River killed salmon eggs and young fish due to low oxygen and lack of food and allowed the spread of viruses. [...] As for the reason the dams were constructed in the first place -- electricity -- removing them won't hurt the power supply much, experts say. Even at full capacity, all four dams produced less than 2% of PacifiCorp's energy, according to the Klamath River Renewal Corporation. Up next is ramping up restoration work. Bransom said they plan to put down nearly 16 billion seeds of almost 100 native species across 2,200-acres of land in the Klamath River Basin. And after more than a century, the fish can now swim freely. Yurok's Bowers-Cordalis said seeing the river reconnected is a form of giving their land back, which is really the "ultimate reward."

Comment Encryption -- should govt have access? (Score 2) 124

> For years, tech companies have argued that encrypted messaging is crucial to maintain people's digital privacy, while law enforcement and governments have said that the technology enables illicit behaviors by hiding illegal activity.

The question comes down to do you trust the government? How much harm (to minors, those being exploited, those harmed by the crimes enabled by true privacy, etc) is worth protecting it. Then again on the other side, how much do you trust government (which can give almost unlimited funding and influence) to not abuse, hide facts, be fair, or not be intrusive and heavy handed?

Seems like a long time ago there was a war fought about invasive government and why we shouldn't trust government...

Methinks there are other ways to catch criminals without snooping on their electronic protections. People get caught all the time despite encryption... Does letting people (both the good and bad) make it harder to catch criminals-- yes. That's the point -- that legitimate activities are also protected.

This seems to be something missing in our modern society-- a balanced approach to both sides of the same issue.

‘Without freedom of thought, there can be no such thing as wisdom – and no such thing as public liberty without freedom of speech.’ – Benjamin Franklin
‘They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.’ – Benjamin Franklin

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