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Thomas Jefferson also waged what was basically a preemptive war against muslim terrorists on their own turf with the goal of protecting US business interests overseas.

Hmmmm....

Isn't Jefferson some sort of icon to most leftists? :-)

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  • Jefferson, who is an icon to those who care about individual liberties (people on the right and on the left, just not anti-Constitutional neo-cons), fought against the Barbary Pirates, not terrorists. Comparing the Barbary Pirates to modern days terrorists smacks of grasping at straws in an attempt to justify an ill-planned war.
    • Jefferson also won his initial term as president in a bitterly divisive election focusing on fear mongering, scandals and outright hatred between both parties AND he was blasted by his opponent for his Frenchness! He referred to his ascension as a "revolution" in the political scene of the country (today we often hear the term "cultural war" and, less frequently, revolution, as well!)

      Jefferson, however, did not even win the electoral vote, but won it via the House.

      He minimized diplomatic relations with E
      • Jefferson was also a well-read man of considerable rhetorical skill. I'm sure we could find plenty of other differences as well; unfortunately I don't have time right now to drop everything else in my life and research the life of Jefferson :-)
      • Jefferson did not reform the army and navy; he disbanded them. Jefferson's stupid actions lost the naval portion of the War of 1812 for the Americans.
    • Why would we not consider pirates to be terrorists?

      Surely if we were to capture a pirate today they would be charged with terrorism :-p

      (And yes, pirates do still exist, but mostly in SE Asia)
      • I don't recall pirates blowing up buildings in US ports. They attacked ships at sea for personal/group gain, not ideological demagogery.

      • Because Tripoli, Morocco, etc, were formal states, with a formal "head of state" [wikipedia.org], territorial boundaries, laws, tax collectors, armed forces. When they captured foreign vessels those states went through the step of formally declaring war first.

        The vessels of Barbary States which captured foreign vessels were all authorized to do so. They were either vessels of those nation's navies, or vessels authorized with a letter of marque [wikipedia.org] from those nation's head of state.

        The Barbary States were motivated by gree

      • Why would we not consider pirates to be terrorists?

        d00d, didn't you ever play Pirates!?

        Back then, one country's "pirate" was anothers privateer [piratesinfo.com].

        Anyways: Hooray for reductionism! Any lefties out there who are against racism? Well, too bad - Jefferson owned slaves! Against imperialim? Jefferson conceived of "Manifest Destiny." Etc. etc. Reductionism is cool.
    • > He also sent a naval squadron to fight the Barbary pirates, who were harassing American commerce in the Mediterranean. -Excerpt from his biography.

      Comparing the Barbary Pirates to modern days terrorists smacks of grasping at straws in an attempt to justify an ill-planned war.

      Actually I don't think so. Learning from the past event and try to shed light on the current matter is a very good thing. - I think these two events have similarity in that both took place far from America with a view to keepin

  • In April, al-Jazeera won the First Battle of Fallujah with lurid anti-American lies. This time around, the Middle- Eastern media continued to mill propaganda, but the fury was missing as Fallujah fell.

    What happened? ...
    With their repeated slaughters of the innocent, their suicide bombing campaign against civilian and government targets, their assassinations of doctors, engineers and educators, and their un-Islamic practice of ceremonial human sacrifice (celebrated on videotape), the terrorists have begun to

  • Jefferson was a Deist, a Freemason, and a Slave owner. He wrote racism into the Constitution and sexism into the Declaration of Independance. To this Statist Leftist- he was no hero.

    It's more your side, the libertarian left, that he was a hero to. That and the rich, since his Constitution enabled interstate debt collection for the first time.

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