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Comment Re:First... (Score 1) 357

...paid internships and research assistantship don't really count as "conventional".

Perhaps some paid internships are non-conventional (ie. working a help desk, or as a low-level IT worker, or as a simple tag-along on a team), but I'll argue against all paid internships being non-conventional. In my experience, paid internships can be perfectly on-par with a "conventional" job, acting as a short-term but equal-responsibility member of a team with full-time engineers and mentors.

In many cases, a paid internship basically equivalent to an entry level "conventional" position in many cases. Add to that the fact that if you do more internships, you can use your resume to earn more responsibilities and involvement at future internships.

I've held a number of internships, co-op positions, and ongoing in-field part-time W2 work (not counting odd jobs I do under the heading of contractor / self-employment), and I consider all of this experience to be both "conventional" and relevant. Accordingly, as a 22-year-old undergraduate student, I fall into the 10-15 category.

Submission + - Are You a Blue Collar or White Collar Developer? (earthweb.com)

jammag writes: Some developers have gone to four-year universities where they've also studied subjects like history and sociology, while other coders go to vocational schools and focus purely on writing great software. So why, asks a longtime developer, is there a stigma attached to not having a four-year degree, when 'blue collar' coders might be better trained? Why does the software industry keep emphasizing this difference — and generally giving better pay to four-year grads? Isn't being a developer about real skill level, not the piece of paper on the wall?
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Submission + - Hackers fail to hack Brazilian Voting Machines 2

blueser writes: From Nov 10th to Nov 13th the Brazilian Government hosted a public hacking contest to test the robustness of its voting machines. 38 participants from private and public IT companies (including the Brazilian Federal Police) were divided into 9 teams which tried several different approaches to try to tamper the software installed on the machines, and even physically interfere on other stages of the process. All attempts (aside from a minor one which would not compromise the overall results) failed, and observations from the participants and neutral observers will be taken into account to improve even further the process. The official announcement for the contest can be read (in Portuguese) here, and a summary of the results (also in Portuguese) can be read on Brazilian newspapers. Brazilian voting machines use Linux
Science

Submission + - Two Earth-sized Bodies With Oxygen Rich Atmosphere (sciencedaily.com)

tugfoigel writes: Astrophysicists at the University of Warwick and Kiel University have discovered two earth sized bodies with oxygen rich atmospheres — however there is a bit of a disappointing snag for anyone looking for a potential home for alien life, or even a future home for ourselves, as they are not planets but are actually two unusual white dwarf stars.

Comment Re:OK, let's talk perspective... (Score 1) 293

Agreed, if the internship(s) the great-grandparent mentioned were in engineering or any tech-related application. I've yet to see a worthwhile internship or co-op job in that area suggest working for anything close to minimum wage, much less for free. There are just too many good companies offering excellent opportunities that pay competitive rates that double, triple, or quadruple minimum wage rates. Now, if you're looking at a non-technical internship (ie. for something involving liberal arts, secretarial activities, etc), you should be willing to work for free, and pay for your living expenses out of your own pocket. This also goes for "internships" designed for people with zero technical experience trying to get something very low-level on their resume to introduce them to a tech career (ie. working as a generic "intern" at a company but having someone teach you to write webpages when you're not filing papers or fetching coffee) All of that said, this is my own experience and the experience shared with me by friends in many fields other than engineering/tech -- YMMV.

Comment North Carolina State University (Score 1) 835

NCSU provides help-desk support for Linux clients, and all Freshmen are required to pass (or test-out of) a class that covers basic competency of a Linux/Unix environment. No problems here when using the required online resources or connecting to the wired or wireless networks. Additionally, the university has deployed a mix of Windows, Mac, and Linux machines throughout campus (albeit with a dominance of Windows).

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