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Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

20+ years at $50,000 in SV is just sad.

Twenty-plus years ago, I made $10K per year as a spaghetti cook. Today I make $50K per year as a senior system admin. Three years from now I'll be making $100K per year as an InfoSec tech.

My point was you are either a really bad IT professional only worth $50K a year or complacent to the point were you only value yourself at $50K a year.

You made a bad assumption of my past earnings history.

Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

I give my pet rabbit more indoor space than that. :(

My brother's in-laws bought a $1M five-bedroom house in the Gilroy foothills. The wet bar was larger than my kitchen, the kitchen was bigger than my studio apartment. Very obscene. Especially since the in-laws had five bedrooms of family heirloom furniture that don't want to get rid of. They later moved out of state to buy a farm with a barn to store their furniture.

Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

Because you gave cost as a downside of doing so, with no upside mentioned. So I figured they wouldn't want them,

We're talking about cost. I gave an example of cost. Cost has nothing to do with wanting a family. Plenty of people have children without considering the cost.

[...] the topic was that 50,000 means cardboard box [...]

So my home is a "cardboard box" because it doesn't fit the norm of a Silicon Valley McMansion? Pfft... You sound like my brother who complained about my father moving out of a two-bedroom house after our mother passed away, got rid of everything, bought a trailer home for $10,000 and lived in a trailer park for $400 per month. He couldn't understand why anyone would want to live BELOW their means.

Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

Every job I've had in the area, $50k is what we pay people when we allow them to take the plastic protector off the sharp edge of the butter knives in the company kitchen.

Unicorn companies tend to overpay for talent, like paying kitchen workers well above minimum wage. One company spent $25,000 per employee on perks.

It's junior level pay.

Since I'm working on a government IT contract, $50K is the national average. My subcontractor has my job title as Senior System Administrator. I've been trying to getting a cost of living adjustment for $100K per year. But the contracting officer is reluctant to do so since the SF and NYC folks will want a COLA.

Or Uber-driver pay.

Uber drivers make a little more than minimum wage.

http://time.com/money/3678389/uber-drivers-wages/

I know for a fact there are homeless people in the streets bringing home more than that.

During the Great Recession, a panhandler on a particular street corner in San Francisco made $85 per hour.

Seriously dude, it might be worth reevaluating where your career is.

Seriously, dude, your apple and oranages comparisons sucks.

Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

As a software engineer I made that right out of college, and that was 20 years ago.

I've always love it when someone rolls out the CS argument ("kids today make that kind of money right out of college"). Except that I spent eight years in Special Ed (misdiagnosed, of course), never went to high school, and got two associate degrees, A.A. in General Ed (1994) and A.S. in Computer Programming (2007). The only kind of work I can do in the tech industry is digging virtual trenches.

Today I am easily making 3x that (not counting my 12% yearly bonus), and I am in Utah.

You must feel really bad that kids make that kind of money right out of college.

Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

Obviously you are free to not want a family. Just as others are free to want a family.

What makes you think I have a choice about having a family?

You are screwed if everybody doesn't want a family though, so luckily there are others willing to earn more money than you (relative to their cost of living location) and have children to prop up our economic system that relies on growth.

We're all screwed in 2030 when the baby boomers are retired and outnumber workers (tax base), Social Security/Medicare will consume two-thirds of the federal budget, and taxes will have to go way up to pay for everything else.

That's funny, since 1466/month on 50000/year is into the "can't afford" range [...]

I'm not sure why some would consider that the "can't afford" range. At $50K per year, I'm putting 20% away in savings.

Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

In Si Valley, you'd have to live in a dump w/ that pay

When I moved into my apartment complex 11 years ago, it looked like a 1960's housing project and the neighbors smoked 20 different variety of weed. It was dirt cheap with $800 per month rent, $199 security deposit and a free microwave oven. Three corporate owners and multiple rent increases later, the complex is being renovated and marketed for its "luxury" apartment. Despite a brand new luxury apartment complex opening down the street, the rents haven't gone down despite being a 50-year-old apartment complex.

Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

Especially since most people with 20 years in a career have a kid or two [...]

Each kid costing $250K to raise from birth to college.

[...] (though likely not most who pay close to half their net salary to rent a studio apartment).

A studio apartment, no. A three-bedroom house that they can't afford, absolutely.

Comment Re:This is why (Score 1) 202

Except this is what is wrong with IT Security. People with papers without any actual experience doing the work.

I got 20+ years of IT experience and A+/Network+/MCP certifications from 15 years ago. My current job is computer security. I'm two years into a five year contract in government IT.

[...] a bunch of inexperienced, overpaid paper hangers [...]

Most people who get certifications don't know that they're supposed to get certified AFTER they get the experience.

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